It just have to be reasonable

[Eloi]

To believe in God you don't need complicated reasons, or scientific reasons, or being intellectual, or having all the answers in the world. To believe in God, only one reason is needed: to realize reality.

Heb. 3:4 Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God.

The beauty of the Universe and everything that exists on our planet proves that there is an Intelligent and powerful Creator.

If you found a house in the middle of the desert, would you believe that it was made by itself as a result of sandstorms over trillions of years?

The earth is like a house in the middle of a space desert. It has drinking water, electricity, light, food pantries, indirect music, air conditioning and heating... and even carpets.

Rom. 1:20 For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.

Is there any objective reason why this very simplistic reasoning is invalid?

[Eloi]

In the Bible there is a dichotomy that few religious people fully understand, and that is related to mental capacity and the ability to reason correctly: light versus darkness. Meditating personally on these concepts and the biblical contexts in which they appear, I have realized how descriptive of human reality they are.

It is like a light inside a room, that allows you to see everything around and to be able to move and interact with objects without any problem. The "light" of which the Bible speaks is like the lamp that illuminates the mind/brain and allows you to reason and coordinate mental objects in a more rational and intelligent way, without being hindered by emotions , and see matters more clearly... so that you can reach certain truth...

This dichotomy is easily perceived when discussing a subject, and you realize that there are people who cannot reason in such a way that they can understand the arguments that are raised. These folks are often apologizing for a certain party as opposed to another, but they definitely don't get a hint about anything everyone is trying to figure out.

Much has been said about fallacies and how to defend against them... but do we all realize that fallacies do not lead directly to the truth, and that they are contrary to objective analysis of issues?

An example of these tactics that attempt against the light is the apology that many atheists make to the theory of evolution. There is a big difference between repeating thousands of times that this theory is proven and presenting objective reasoning that shows that it really is. Most of the defenders of this theory in different internet forums are just apologists, but they do not prove anything of what they say.

PS: I could go deeper about that light in the mind and everything the Bible explains about it, but that topic would be in another subforum.

[The Barbarian]

Hmmm... so the world is composed of a particular number of natural things, distributed in natural ways. Living things have come to be that are able to live because of the way the world is.

I think Paul has this right, but it just moves the issue back a bit to God creating a universe in which such wonders come about by natural processes.

[Miles]

To believe in God you don't need complicated reasons, or scientific reasons, or being intellectual, or having all the answers in the world. To believe in God, only one reason is needed: to realize reality.

Heb. 3:4 Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God.

The beauty of the Universe and everything that exists on our planet proves that there is an Intelligent and powerful Creator.

If you found a house in the middle of the desert, would you believe that it was made by itself as a result of sandstorms over trillions of years?

The earth is like a house in the middle of a space desert. It has drinking water, electricity, light, food pantries, indirect music, air conditioning and heating... and even carpets.

Rom. 1:20 For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.

Is there any objective reason why this very simplistic reasoning is invalid?

Yes, it's very simplistic.

simplistic
adjective
sim·​plis·​tic sim-ˈpli-stik
: excessively simple or simplified : treating a problem or subject with false simplicity by omitting or ignoring complicating factors or details
Source:Merriam Webster

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[Eloi]

To believe in God you don't need complicated reasons, or scientific reasons, or being intellectual, or having all the answers in the world. To believe in God, only one reason is needed: to realize reality.

Heb. 3:4 Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God.

The beauty of the Universe and everything that exists on our planet proves that there is an Intelligent and powerful Creator.

If you found a house in the middle of the desert, would you believe that it was made by itself as a result of sandstorms over trillions of years?

The earth is like a house in the middle of a space desert. It has drinking water, electricity, light, food pantries, indirect music, air conditioning and heating... and even carpets.

Rom. 1:20 For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.

Is there any objective reason why this very simplistic reasoning is invalid?

Yes, it's very simplistic.

simplistic
adjective
sim·​plis·​tic sim-ˈpli-stik
: excessively simple or simplified : treating a problem or subject with false simplicity by omitting or ignoring complicating factors or details
Source:Merriam Webster

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Yes, it is such a simple explanation that you do not need to be a scientist to understand its veracity.

That is why the Bible says that no one is justified not to believe in a Creator, and it also says that God is very pleased to make humble people understand the truth instead of intellectuals...

The humble see the obvious things more ease, precisely because they are simple people.

[Miles]

To believe in God you don't need complicated reasons, or scientific reasons, or being intellectual, or having all the answers in the world. To believe in God, only one reason is needed: to realize reality.

Heb. 3:4 Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God.

The beauty of the Universe and everything that exists on our planet proves that there is an Intelligent and powerful Creator.

If you found a house in the middle of the desert, would you believe that it was made by itself as a result of sandstorms over trillions of years?

The earth is like a house in the middle of a space desert. It has drinking water, electricity, light, food pantries, indirect music, air conditioning and heating... and even carpets.

Rom. 1:20 For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.

Is there any objective reason why this very simplistic reasoning is invalid?

Yes, it's very simplistic.

simplistic
adjective
sim·​plis·​tic sim-ˈpli-stik
: excessively simple or simplified : treating a problem or subject with false simplicity by omitting or ignoring complicating factors or details
Source:Merriam Webster

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Yes, it is such a simple explanation that you do not need to be a scientist to understand its veracity.

Just very needy and extremely gullible.

That is why the Bible says that no one is justified not to believe in a Creator, and it also says that God is very pleased to make humble people understand the truth instead of intellectuals...

Where does the Bible say this? If you're going to quote the Bible the proper thing to do is at least identify the passage: Book, chapter, and verse. As it stands I have absolutely no reason to believe the Bible says this at all, and is simply your opinion

The humble see the obvious things more ease, precisely because they are simple people.

Sheesh! Opinion, opinion, opinion. And a rather daffy one at that.

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[Eloi]

Matt. 11:25 At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children. 26 Yes, O Father, because this is the way you approved. ..."

1 Cor. 1:19 For it is written: “I will make the wisdom of the wise men perish, and the intelligence of the intellectuals I will reject.” 20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this system of things? Has not God made the wisdom of the world foolish? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not get to know God through its wisdom, God was pleased through the foolishness of what is preached to save those believing.

[Eloi]

Evolutionists often date fossils based on the terrain around them.

Imagine that I am going to date the tourists around the pyramid of Giza with the age that it is.

[Miles]

Evolutionists often date fossils based on the terrain around them.

Actually, dating fossils may involve up to nine different methods, or more.

The nine primary methods

Carbon-14 dating

Radiometric dating

Fission track dating

Relative dating

Absolute dating

Dendrochronology dating

Biostratigraphy dating

K-Ar dating

Uranium-lead dating

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[brunumb]

Evolutionists often date fossils based on the terrain around them.

Imagine that I am going to date the tourists around the pyramid of Giza with the age that it is.

If that represents the depth of your scientific thinking then there is nothing you can say that we should take seriously. There is nothing in the Bible that accounts for the fossil record or the diversity of life over time on this planet. It is a book of unsupported claims to the extent that we have no compelling reason to accept any of its contents as having a basis in reality. At least with science we have mountains of evidence to consider and evaluate. With the Bible, nothing.