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Jesus is God - who searches minds and hearts

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10 I am the Lord who searches the heart,
who tests the inner depths
to give to each person
according to what he deserves,[e]

From <https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=ISV>

23 I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am the one who searches minds and hearts. I will reward each of you as your actions deserve.

From <https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=ISV>
YHWH searches minds and hearts to reward.
Jesus searches minds and hearts to reward.
Jesus is YHWH

Is this proof Jesus is YHWH?

This argument was taken from this youtube video:
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Wootah wrote: Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:47 pm ...
YHWH searches minds and hearts to reward.
Jesus searches minds and hearts to reward.
Jesus is YHWH

Is this proof Jesus is YHWH?
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Only if I am you, because we both breathe air.

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1213 wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:10 am
Wootah wrote: Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:47 pm ...
YHWH searches minds and hearts to reward.
Jesus searches minds and hearts to reward.
Jesus is YHWH

Is this proof Jesus is YHWH?
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Only if I am you, because we both breathe air.
No idea what that meant mate.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Wootah wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 7:31 am
1213 wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:10 am
Wootah wrote: Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:47 pm ...
YHWH searches minds and hearts to reward.
Jesus searches minds and hearts to reward.
Jesus is YHWH

Is this proof Jesus is YHWH?
...
Only if I am you, because we both breathe air.
No idea what that meant mate.
God, Jehovah, GAVE His Son the power to search minds and hearts. That certainly doesn't lend itself to prove that they are the same person. Indeed, it shows that they are not the same person. Look at this: In the end, Jesus "hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power." (I Corinthians 15:24) Does Jesus hand over the kingdom to himself?

"In order for the world to know that I love the Father, even as the Father has given me commandment to do, so I am doing." (John 14:31) Did Jesus say that he loved himself? Did he give himself commands? Will you answer these three questions please?

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[Replying to onewithhim in post #4]

Well it's a cumulative case. Search for Jesus is God in the forums for more examples. What didn't God give Jesus that would define Jesus as separate to God?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Wootah wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:14 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #4]

What didn't God give Jesus that would define Jesus as separate to God?
God didn't give Jesus an immortal spiritual body.

Jesus was created with a physical natural mortal body.

Jesus' natural body distinguishes Jesus from God, as Jesus can die and God cannot die.

Being a natural bodied being, Jesus could die.

Being a spiritual bodied being, God cannot die.

Therefore, they have separate types of bodies, leading to separate periods of longevity. -- one finite and one infinite.

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Wootah wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 7:31 am
1213 wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:10 am
Wootah wrote: Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:47 pm ...
YHWH searches minds and hearts to reward.
Jesus searches minds and hearts to reward.
Jesus is YHWH

Is this proof Jesus is YHWH?
...
Only if I am you, because we both breathe air.
No idea what that meant mate.
My point is, even if two persons do the same thing, it doesn't necessary mean they are the same.

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Wootah wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:14 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #4]

Well it's a cumulative case. Search for Jesus is God in the forums for more examples. What didn't God give Jesus that would define Jesus as separate to God?
Jehovah didn't give Jesus superiority to Himself, nor did He make Jesus equal to Himself, nor did He give Jesus all the knowledge that He Himself has ("Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son." The Father is always in a higher position than the Son, when Jesus was on Earth and also when he went back to heaven. (See Revelation 3:12 and I Corinthians 11:3.)

Revelation 3:12, KJV: Jesus said to John after returning to heaven: "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall no more go out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God and I will write upon him my new name."

I Corinthians 11:3, KJV: Paul wrote this after Jesus had returned to heaven: "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is the Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

There is no way anyone can twist these verses to mean something else. Jesus is always in subjection to the Father (who is God).

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[Replying to 1213 in post #7]

Sure I get it - JW called it a false equivalence fallacy. But when it keeps happening over and over again the fallacy seems to not hold. Just search for Jesus is God in thread titles and keep posting in each one of them what you posted now.
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onewithhim wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:58 am
Wootah wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:14 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #4]

Well it's a cumulative case. Search for Jesus is God in the forums for more examples. What didn't God give Jesus that would define Jesus as separate to God?
Jehovah didn't give Jesus superiority to Himself, nor did He make Jesus equal to Himself, nor did He give Jesus all the knowledge that He Himself has ("Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son." The Father is always in a higher position than the Son, when Jesus was on Earth and also when he went back to heaven. (See Revelation 3:12 and I Corinthians 11:3.)

Revelation 3:12, KJV: Jesus said to John after returning to heaven: "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall no more go out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God and I will write upon him my new name."

I Corinthians 11:3, KJV: Paul wrote this after Jesus had returned to heaven: "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is the Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

There is no way anyone can twist these verses to mean something else. Jesus is always in subjection to the Father (who is God).
One thing you need to understand is that relational status does not help you.

For instance the president of the united states is relationally more powerful than you. But you are both equal as human beings. Unless you are saying you are not human or not like the president of the united states.

This is a logical defeater for your argument but will you drink that cup?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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