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Jesus is God - 1 Corinthians 8:6

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5 For even if there are “gods” in heaven and on earth (as indeed there are many so-called “gods” and “lords”), 6 yet for us

there is only one God, the Father,
from whom everything came into being
and for whom we live.
And there is only one Lord, Jesus the Messiah,[c]
through whom everything came into being
and through whom we live.
In greek https://biblehub.com/text/1_corinthians/8-6.htm

It uses the same greek wording ta panta for the father and the son. So if you believe the father is before creation you have to believe the son is before creation.

Does this demonstrate that Jesus existed before creation and that either you think there were two gods or Jesus and the Father are one God in some way?

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Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Re: Jesus is God - 1 Corinthians 8:6

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  • There are many gods but only one ALMIGHY God and Creator , YHWH. The Father
  • Jesus(the Word) is himself a "Mighty God" but not equal to the Father in power, age or position.



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Re: Jesus is God - 1 Corinthians 8:6

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:16 am
  • There are many gods but only one ALMIGHY God and Creator , YHWH. The Father
  • Jesus(the Word) is himself a "Mighty God" but not equal to the Father in power, age or position.
Not on topic mate. Can you address the topic?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Re: Jesus is God - 1 Corinthians 8:6

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:16 am
  • There are many gods but only one ALMIGHY God and Creator , YHWH. The Father
  • Jesus(the Word) is himself a "Mighty God" but not equal to the Father in power, age or position.
Where does the Bible state that Jesus is the Word?

The Word is not the same as the Word made flesh.

God is a Spirit:

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


A spirit is not flesh. A Spirit has a spiritual body.

Mankind has natural flesh and blood bodies:

Ecclesiastes 3:19
For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.


The Word is a spirit and Jesus was a man.

So they were not equals.

Had they been equals, the Word could have done what Jesus did without having to be made flesh as the man Jesus.

Since Jesus had to be made, that proves that they were not equals! The Word is not the same as Jesus.

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Re: Jesus is God - 1 Corinthians 8:6

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1 John

Which other Word became flesh?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Re: Jesus is God - 1 Corinthians 8:6

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Wootah wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:46 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #4]

1 John

Which other Word became flesh?
There is only the one Word.

And that Word was made flesh as the man Jesus Christ.

Being an immortal spiritual being, that Word continued to exist during and after the lifetime of the man Jesus Christ.

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Re: Jesus is God - 1 Corinthians 8:6

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myth-one.com wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:29 pm
Wootah wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:46 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #4]

1 John

Which other Word became flesh?
There is only the one Word.

And that Word was made flesh as the man Jesus Christ.

Being an immortal spiritual being, that Word continued to exist during and after the lifetime of the man Jesus Christ.
OK what part of my post are you arguing against?
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Re: Jesus is God - 1 Corinthians 8:6

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Wootah wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:36 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:29 pm
Wootah wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:46 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #4]

1 John

Which other Word became flesh?
There is only the one Word.

And that Word was made flesh as the man Jesus Christ.

Being an immortal spiritual being, that Word continued to exist during and after the lifetime of the man Jesus Christ.
OK what part of my post are you arguing against?
I was not arguing, but trying to answer the following question which you had asked:

Which other Word became flesh?

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Re: Jesus is God - 1 Corinthians 8:6

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Wootah wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 12:21 am

For even if there are “gods” in heaven and on earth (as indeed there are many so-called “gods” and “lords”), 6 yet for us there is only one God, the Father,...
In greek https://biblehub.com/text/1_corinthians/8-6.htm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:16 am
  • There are many gods but only one ALMIGHY God and Creator , YHWH. The Father
  • Jesus(the Word) is himself a "Mighty God" but not equal to the Father in power, age or position.
Wootah wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:31 am Not on topic mate. ...
I see.



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Re: Jesus is God - 1 Corinthians 8:6

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[Replying to Wootah in post #1]
How can you say that I Corinthians 8:6 shows that the Father is the Son? That very verse shows unequivocably that they are separate and that it is the Father who alone is God, and everything comes FROM Him.

"To us there is ONE GOD, the FATHER of whom are all things...and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things..."(KJV)

Very very clear. One God, the Father, and He has had all things under Him alone (OF whom are all things). Another version makes it even more clear.

"For us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things...and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things..." (NASB)

The Father has all the power and authority and by His power all things were created. He GAVE power and authority to Jesus Christ and all things were created THROUGH him. Sam Shamoun doesn't know what he's talking about.

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