SUNDAY THE SABBATH

[Eddie Ramos]

God has ordained that the Sabbath be the day of worship. In the Old Testament period, God declared the 7th day to be the Sabbath day, but when Christ rose from the dead, God ended the era of 7th day Sabbath observation which entailed physical rest and instituted the first new era of Sabbaths to take place the Sunday Christ arose. This Sunday Sabbath would now entail much spiritual work for those who have found their rest in Christ (those who believed to be saved).


So, why do some, today, still worship on the 7th day of the week and others on the 1st day of the week? And why do people blame Constantine for changing the day of worship from saturday to Sunday, when no such information of him doing so is found in the scriptures?

[myth-one.com]

God has ordained that the Sabbath be the day of worship. In the Old Testament period, God declared the 7th day to be the Sabbath day, but when Christ rose from the dead, God ended the era of 7th day Sabbath observation which entailed physical rest and instituted the first new era of Sabbaths to take place the Sunday Christ arose. This Sunday Sabbath would now entail much spiritual work for those who have found their rest in Christ (those who believed to be saved).


So, why do some, today, still worship on the 7th day of the week and others on the 1st day of the week? And why do people blame Constantine for changing the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday, when no such information of him doing so is found in the scriptures?

There is nothing in the Bible to tell us to observe the Sabbath, since Christ abolished the Law (Romans 10:4; Romans 7:6),

Here's one:

Exodus 20:8
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

It's a sin to break one of the ten commandments.

Although sin no longer controls our salvation, we should still do our best to avoid sinning.

I'm talking about Christians. Once Jesus abolished the Law (that includes the ten commandments and many other laws) Christians were not responsible for observing the Sabbath.

Of course we are. It came first to Israel, then to the gentiles and the entire world as a sign.

You speak of the Law covenant with Israel, which has been abolished by Christ's death. It would help if you would read all of the Bible and not just parts of it. No one can avoid sinning, and that's why Christ died for us.

Jesus did not sin. So "no one can avoid sinning" is a false statement.

He took each one of ours places when he died.

That's not how it works. His first death was unavoidable, as is ours. The scriptures point out that all men will die once regardless of whether or not they sin:

And it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (Hebrews 9:27)

The wages for our sins is the second death, not our first appointed death. Jesus' death on the cross was His first "appointed" death, and it does not save any of us from our first appointed death.

The scriptures define how Jesus's life and death provide the path to salvation from the second permanent death for those who believe in Him as their Saviour.

And it isn't through a human sacrifice.

It's through a gift.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #21]

Jesus was the only human who did not sin. The rest of us have inherited Adam's sin and death. We sin every day, even though we might not be conscious of it. We can avoid deliberate sinning, and we do our best to stay away from that sin by consciously avoiding it. Paul put it succinctly:

"Christ is the end of the Law." (Romans 10:4)

"...Through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned." (Romans 5:12)

"If by one man's trespass many died, the grace of God and his free gift with grace by the one man Jesus Christ abounded much more to many... So, then, as through the trespass the result to men of all sorts was condemnation, likewise also through one act of justification the result to men of all sorts is a declaring of them righteous for life." (Romans 5:15,18)

"For just as through the disobedience of the one man many were constituted sinners, likewise also through the obedience of the one man many will be constituted righteous." (Romans 5:19)

As I said, Jesus died for all of mankind, each one of us. We have to accept that gift to take advantage of it. You and I, and everyone else. If we don't accept what Jesus did, we are still in our sins.

[rstrats]

onewithhim,

You have a couple of questions directed to you in post #19.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #18]

re: "Exactly. That is my point. Our calendar doesn't match the calendar that Jesus and other Jews used. He didn't rise on Sunday (our calendar)."

I don't understand why you keep bringing up our calendar. The frame of reference for this topic is 2000 years ago.


re: "It was Nisan 17, which falls on different days from one year to the next."

If you're saying that the resurrection occurred on Nisan 17, how do you know that it didn't fall on the first day of the week that year?



re: "Neither did the Jews observe the Sabbath on a Sunday."

Who said that they did? I don't see what you're getting at.

Jesus died on Nisan 14. He rose three days later. The celebration of his sacrifice for us falls on Nisan 14 and some celebrate his resurrection three days later. This always falls on a day during the week, not on the weekend.

I'm getting at the fact that Sunday is not the day of Jesus' resurrection, so celebrating Easter on that day is moot. Never mind that Easter is a pagan tradition, with the bunnies and chickies and eggs. It all is important concerning calendar days, and that our calendar doesn't align itself with the one the Jews use. That is important when trying to decide which day Jesus died or was resurrected on, and also which day is the Sabbath day.

[myth-one.com]

As I said, Jesus died for all of mankind, each one of us. We have to accept that gift to take advantage of it.

Once again, that's not how it works. His death is not the gift. The gift is His inheritance of everlasting life which He earned by living a sinless life under the original covenant between God and the Israelites! He offers everlasting spiritual bodied life to those who believe in Him as their Saviour from the wages of their sins. That is His inheritance, and He freely gifts it to believers. We become joint heirs.

His first death was unavoidable, as is ours. The scriptures point out that all men will die once regardless of whether or not they sin:

And it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (Hebrews 9:27)

The wages for our sins is the second death, not our first appointed death. Jesus' death on the cross was His first "appointed" death, and it does not save any of us from our first appointed death.

The scriptures define how Jesus's life and death provide the path to salvation from the second permanent death for those who believe in Him as their Saviour.

And it isn't through a human sacrifice.

It's through a gift.

[rstrats]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #24]

onewithhim,
re: "Jesus died on Nisan 14. He rose three days later. The celebration of his sacrifice for us falls on Nisan 14 and some celebrate his resurrection three days later. This always falls on a day during the week, not on the weekend."

Are you saying that the 17th could never have fallen on the 1st day of the week?




re: "I'm getting at the fact that Sunday is not the day of Jesus' resurrection... It all is important concerning calendar days, and that our calendar doesn't align itself with the one the Jews use."

Again, I don't see why you keep bringing up our calendar. You can only be concerned with the one used during the time of the crucifixion/resurrection.




re: "That is important when trying to decide which day Jesus died or was resurrected on, and also which day is the Sabbath day."

So why do you keep mentioning today's calendar?



With regard to knowing when the Sabbath is, all you have to do is look to when Israel is observing it today. The Messiah kept the Sabbath. It had to be on the correct day or He would have broken the commandment and not have been sinless. I'm not aware of any documentation which shows that the seven day weekly cycle has been interrupted at any point since the Messiah's time and today.

[onewithhim]

As I said, Jesus died for all of mankind, each one of us. We have to accept that gift to take advantage of it.

Once again, that's not how it works. His death is not the gift. The gift is His inheritance of everlasting life which He earned by living a sinless life under the original covenant between God and the Israelites! He offers everlasting spiritual bodied life to those who believe in Him as their Saviour from the wages of their sins. That is His inheritance, and He freely gifts it to believers. We become joint heirs.

Jesus' death makes possible the gift of everlasting life. Because of his sacrifice we all, who accept his sacrifice, can live forever in physical bodies like what he gave up when he was here. He gave up his physical body so we could keep OURS forever on this beautiful planet where we will be friends of the animals and have peace and joy. (Having animals in the scenario shows that our lives will be physical ones, for there are no animals in the spirit realm.)

"And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, and the leopard will lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little boy will lead them. Also the cow and the bear will graze, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox. The nursing child [spirits nurse?] will play by the hole of the cobra, and the weaned child will put his hand on the viper's den. They will not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD [YHWH] as the waters cover the sea." (Isaiah 11:6-9, New American Standard Version, brackets mine.)

Looks pretty physical to me. Snakes and lions and bears will not be in a spirit realm, and neither will nursing mothers and little boys.

[myth-one.com]

Because of his sacrifice we all, who accept his sacrifice, can live forever in physical bodies like what he gave up when he was here.

Flesh and blood physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

(Having animals in the scenario shows that our lives will be physical ones, for there are no animals in the spirit realm.)

But there are spirits in the physical world.

Looks pretty physical to me. Snakes and lions and bears will not be in a spirit realm, and neither will nursing mothers and little boys.

So the physical realm and the spirit realm are separate?

That's a new twist.

Born again spiritual bodied Christians are going to rule over the physical earth for ever and ever:

The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. (Revelation 11:15)

The earth will once again become part of the Kingdom of Heaven. It will not be heaven but will be under God's rule and part of the Kingdom of Heaven as is heaven itself. This will occur when Jesus returns to take back control of the earth from Satan. And how long does Jesus our Lord intend to reign on the earth?

The Lord shall reign for ever and ever. (Exodus 15:18)

The Lord shall reign for ever... (Psalm 146:10)

And they shall reign for ever and ever. (Revelation 22:5)

And what are the born again Christians going to be doing after Jesus' return?

We shall also reign with him. (II Timothy 2:12)

And how long are the born again Christians going to be with the Lord Jesus?

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (I Thessalonians 4:17)

Where will Jesus base His rule and locate His tabernacle to rule the earth? The holy city of Jerusalem:

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. (Revelation 21:2-3)

New Jerusalem is part of what Jesus has been preparing for us over the past two thousand years. He will bring it down from heaven upon His return. Since Jesus is going to rule the earth forever from new Jerusalem, and we will rule with Him, and be with Him forever, where does that place us forever and ever?

On the earth!

The earth is not presently part of the Kingdom of Heaven. It is like a rebellious colony.

But we are instructed to pray for this outcome:

"Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth, as it is in heaven."

[onewithhim]

Because of his sacrifice we all, who accept his sacrifice, can live forever in physical bodies like what he gave up when he was here.

Flesh and blood physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

(Having animals in the scenario shows that our lives will be physical ones, for there are no animals in the spirit realm.)

But there are spirits in the physical world.

Looks pretty physical to me. Snakes and lions and bears will not be in a spirit realm, and neither will nursing mothers and little boys.

So the physical realm and the spirit realm are separate?

That's a new twist.

Born again spiritual bodied Christians are going to rule over the physical earth for ever and ever:

The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. (Revelation 11:15)

The earth will once again become part of the Kingdom of Heaven. It will not be heaven but will be under God's rule and part of the Kingdom of Heaven as is heaven itself. This will occur when Jesus returns to take back control of the earth from Satan. And how long does Jesus our Lord intend to reign on the earth?

The Lord shall reign for ever and ever. (Exodus 15:18)

The Lord shall reign for ever... (Psalm 146:10)

And they shall reign for ever and ever. (Revelation 22:5)

And what are the born again Christians going to be doing after Jesus' return?

We shall also reign with him. (II Timothy 2:12)

And how long are the born again Christians going to be with the Lord Jesus?

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (I Thessalonians 4:17)

Where will Jesus base His rule and locate His tabernacle to rule the earth? The holy city of Jerusalem:

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. (Revelation 21:2-3)

New Jerusalem is part of what Jesus has been preparing for us over the past two thousand years. He will bring it down from heaven upon His return. Since Jesus is going to rule the earth forever from new Jerusalem, and we will rule with Him, and be with Him forever, where does that place us forever and ever?

On the earth!

The earth is not presently part of the Kingdom of Heaven. It is like a rebellious colony.

But we are instructed to pray for this outcome:

"Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth, as it is in heaven."

You're right, flesh and blood bodies cannot go to heaven and rule with Christ. But they can enjoy the earth in physical conditions forever. When you quote the Lord's prayer, you miss the meaning. It's not that the earth will be LIKE it is in heaven, but that God's WILL will be done on the earth, as God's will is honored in heaven."

The earth is the courtyard of the heavenly Kingdom. We are part of it, with our physical bodies. You haven't commented on Isaiah 11:6-9 yet, showing how the people and animals are all spirits, as you indicate.

[myth-one.com]

You're right, flesh and blood bodies cannot go to heaven and rule with Christ.

Flesh and blood mankind cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, not just heaven. And the earth will once again become part of the Kingdom of God.

But they can enjoy the earth in physical conditions forever.

Any one human body can enjoy the earth in physical conditions until they die, which is about a max of 120 years.

When you quote the Lord's prayer, you miss the meaning. It's not that the earth will be LIKE it is in heaven, but that God's WILL will be done on the earth, as God's will is honored in heaven."

No, it's BOTH!

1) Thy kingdom come!

2) Thy will be done!

You haven't commented on Isaiah 11:6-9 yet, showing how the people and animals are all spirits, as you indicate.

Your claim that "the people and animals are all spirits" is ridiculous. I never indicated any such nonsense. Physical animal life will remain on the earth along with spiritual beings.

Isaiah 11:6-9 indicates that the Mesiah will bring peace and harmony to the earth.