I realize that as I continue to declare that Christ died twice, once for sins from the foundation of the world, and once at the time of the cross, to demonstrate what he already accomplished. And while this does not sit well with many who are unwiling to examine these things in the scriptures, I'd like to put forth yet another set of passages that can only be harmonized when we understand his 2 deaths. So, my question for this thread is, did Christ die for his friends or for his enemies? And how does your answer take these two scriptures into consideration?
Romans 5:10 (KJV 1900)
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
John 15:13–14 (KJV 1900)
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are my friends.....
DID CHRIST DIE FOR HIS FRIENDS OR HIS ENEMIES?
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Re: DID CHRIST DIE FOR HIS FRIENDS OR HIS ENEMIES?
Post #2He died for anyone who would accept him.Eddie Ramos wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 11:10 pm I realize that as I continue to declare that Christ died twice, once for sins from the foundation of the world, and once at the time of the cross, to demonstrate what he already accomplished. And while this does not sit well with many who are unwiling to examine these things in the scriptures, I'd like to put forth yet another set of passages that can only be harmonized when we understand his 2 deaths. So, my question for this thread is, did Christ die for his friends or for his enemies? And how does your answer take these two scriptures into consideration?
Romans 5:10 (KJV 1900)
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
John 15:13–14 (KJV 1900)
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are my friends.....
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Re: DID CHRIST DIE FOR HIS FRIENDS OR HIS ENEMIES?
Post #3DID CHRIST DIE FOR HIS FRIENDS OR HIS ENEMIES?
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At the time of Christs death, the Jews were revolting against the Roman occupation. The local Rabi’s told the Romans that they could stop the revolt if the Romans would get rid of Jesus.
We all know what happened next.
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Post #4Thanks, but that wasn't the question. Please re-read the OP. Those whom Christ died for, were they friends or were they enemies when Christ died for them? The 2 scriptures in question are provided in the OP.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 3:20 pmHe died for anyone who would accept him.Eddie Ramos wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 11:10 pm I realize that as I continue to declare that Christ died twice, once for sins from the foundation of the world, and once at the time of the cross, to demonstrate what he already accomplished. And while this does not sit well with many who are unwiling to examine these things in the scriptures, I'd like to put forth yet another set of passages that can only be harmonized when we understand his 2 deaths. So, my question for this thread is, did Christ die for his friends or for his enemies? And how does your answer take these two scriptures into consideration?
Romans 5:10 (KJV 1900)
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
John 15:13–14 (KJV 1900)
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are my friends.....
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Post #5Please re-read the OP. The question was specific, along with the scriptures provided. How do those scriptures line up with your statement? Thanks.thomasdixon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:20 pm DID CHRIST DIE FOR HIS FRIENDS OR HIS ENEMIES?
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At the time of Christs death, the Jews were revolting against the Roman occupation. The local Rabi’s told the Romans that they could stop the revolt if the Romans would get rid of Jesus.
We all know what happened next.
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Post #6Neither of those tells actually for what Jesus died.Eddie Ramos wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 11:10 pm ...And how does your answer take these two scriptures into consideration?
Romans 5:10 (KJV 1900)
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
John 15:13–14 (KJV 1900)
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are my friends.....
I think it is nice that Bible actually tells directly what was the reason:
For to this end Christ died, rose, and lived again, that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
Romans 14:9
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Re: DID CHRIST DIE FOR HIS FRIENDS OR HIS ENEMIES?
Post #7Its both, He died for His own elect, which are His Beloved friends due to Him choosing them for Himself in Christ Jesus before the foundation Eph 1:4 yet by nature these same ones are His enemies in their minds by wicked works Col 1:21
21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Rom 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled[friends] to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Rom 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled[friends] to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
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Re: DID CHRIST DIE FOR HIS FRIENDS OR HIS ENEMIES?
Post #8He died for both. Hopefully the enemies would eventually believe in him and follow him. (Romans 5:10)Eddie Ramos wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:21 pmThanks, but that wasn't the question. Please re-read the OP. Those whom Christ died for, were they friends or were they enemies when Christ died for them? The 2 scriptures in question are provided in the OP.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 3:20 pmHe died for anyone who would accept him.Eddie Ramos wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 11:10 pm I realize that as I continue to declare that Christ died twice, once for sins from the foundation of the world, and once at the time of the cross, to demonstrate what he already accomplished. And while this does not sit well with many who are unwiling to examine these things in the scriptures, I'd like to put forth yet another set of passages that can only be harmonized when we understand his 2 deaths. So, my question for this thread is, did Christ die for his friends or for his enemies? And how does your answer take these two scriptures into consideration?
Romans 5:10 (KJV 1900)
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
John 15:13–14 (KJV 1900)
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are my friends.....
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