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For eight years, Donald Trump has managed to secure the support of many evangelical and conservative Christians despite behavior that often seemed at odds with teachings espoused by Christ in the Gospels.
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You don't feel like a bully at all do you? Some self reflection my be needed perhaps.boatsnguitars wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 1:15 pm Yes. Yes. Yes. Absolutely Yes.
There is no question that Trumpism is a Cult and that Evangelicals are cult followers looking desperately for a leader.
What we have to digest - as hard as it is to swallow - is that about 20% of the population are knuckle-headed morons. Easily led, easily persuaded by the types of people that lead mega churches, self-help gurus, Anthony Robbins, EST, Revered Moon, Joel Orsteen, etc. They love the "prosperity gospel", they believe the Constitution is nigh divine, they believe the GOP and the "vote for Billionaires because they know how the system works and will save you - the peon" is a legitimate argument.
These people are the reason wars are lost, why humanity struggles to progress, why disease proliferates, why death is more common than it should be. These people are scum. They are the worst - yet think they are the best - which makes them the absolute worst. They are uneducated, ignorant, irrational, greedy, lustful... vile in almost every way. Even in their cowardice - since they actually don't do anything overtly. They always have others do their crimes: like making the State impose laws against their enemies.
They are John Calvin if they could be. They would execute half the people who support them, if given a chance. They would control all women, beat all children, and rape the men.
Just saying.
No need to get over-emotionally in criticizing in general a whole group of humans saying they are the worst. This can lead to negative outcomes as history has teached us.boatsnguitars wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 1:15 pm Yes. Yes. Yes. Absolutely Yes.
There is no question that Trumpism is a Cult and that Evangelicals are cult followers looking desperately for a leader.
What we have to digest - as hard as it is to swallow - is that about 20% of the population are knuckle-headed morons. Easily led, easily persuaded by the types of people that lead mega churches, self-help gurus, Anthony Robbins, EST, Revered Moon, Joel Orsteen, etc. They love the "prosperity gospel", they believe the Constitution is nigh divine, they believe the GOP and the "vote for Billionaires because they know how the system works and will save you - the peon" is a legitimate argument.
These people are the reason wars are lost, why humanity struggles to progress, why disease proliferates, why death is more common than it should be. These people are scum. They are the worst - yet think they are the best - which makes them the absolute worst. They are uneducated, ignorant, irrational, greedy, lustful... vile in almost every way. Even in their cowardice - since they actually don't do anything overtly. They always have others do their crimes: like making the State impose laws against their enemies.
They are John Calvin if they could be. They would execute half the people who support them, if given a chance. They would control all women, beat all children, and rape the men.
Just saying.
Religion does not make Christians behave better. Reality proves us this every day.Diogenes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:50 pm [Replying to alexxcJRO in post #6]
I would like to think there is at least some element of principle or behavior based value in tribal religions like the Abrahamic ones. Islam likes to refer to itself as the religion of peace. Christianity stresses love. Islam emphasizes the requirement of helping the stranger, the traveler, the guest. Jesus used the example of an enemy, a Samaritan as 'your neighbor.'
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Yet when a leader who brandishes the Bible and touts it as his 'favorite Book' doubles down on his use of Adolf Hitler's hateful, inflammatory language calling immigrants "poison" of the nation's "blood," few Christian's speak out against him. Instead, white evangelicals support Trump more than any single group. The same was true of Nazi Germany in the 1930's. The rare exception was Martin Niemöller.
Where today in "Christian" America are the Martin Niemöllers? I would think every Christian on this forum would be condemning Donald Trump for echoing the anti-Christian hate of Adolf Hitler. Even Niemöller did not speak out early and after the war criticized himself for that.
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I think too many (no one specific here) are ignoring the fact that when there are two choices. Finding one choice to be better than the other does not necessarily mean a person likes/supports that option option. Any person, Christian or not that supports Trump over another means just that, they support one over the other.Diogenes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:50 pm [Replying to alexxcJRO in post #6]
I would like to think there is at least some element of principle or behavior based value in tribal religions like the Abrahamic ones. Islam likes to refer to itself as the religion of peace. Christianity stresses love. Islam emphasizes the requirement of helping the stranger, the traveler, the guest. Jesus used the example of an enemy, a Samaritan as 'your neighbor.'
hate
Yet when a leader who brandishes the Bible and touts it as his 'favorite Book' doubles down on his use of Adolf Hitler's hateful, inflammatory language calling immigrants "poison" of the nation's "blood," few Christian's speak out against him. Instead, white evangelicals support Trump more than any single group. The same was true of Nazi Germany in the 1930's. The rare exception was Martin Niemöller.
Where today in "Christian" America are the Martin Niemöllers? I would think every Christian on this forum would be condemning Donald Trump for echoing the anti-Christian hate of Adolf Hitler. Even Niemöller did not speak out early and after the war criticized himself for that.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... socialists
I usually agree with you, but not this time. There is no moral relativity here. When a 'man' parrots Adolf Hitler and openly opposes the Constitution and has been convicted of running a fraudulent business, no sane, moral person could vote for him as the lesser of two choices. I understand not voting at all. But what you suggest is the equivalent of a German in 1932 voting for Hitler, because he didn't like the other guy, despite the fact Hitler put it in writing that he would exterminate the Jews, that he was a racist.Clownboat wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 11:44 am I think too many (no one specific here) are ignoring the fact that when there are two choices. Finding one choice to be better than the other does not necessarily mean a person likes/supports that option option. Any person, Christian or not that supports Trump over another means just that, they support one over the other.
Imagine that they consider that Trump has 3 strikes against him, but they see the other option as having 5 strikes against them. Surely we can understand who they will vote for an why and Hitler would be irrelevant.
