I have noticed an increase in acceptance of the multiverse theory. Either in the form of an infinite number of universes existing simultaneously, or in the form a single universe repeating an infinite number of times. Either way, the theory of the multiverse is that there is an infinite number of universes and everything which is logically possible is true in some universe.
This thread is not for debating the multiverse. Please do not do so. This thread is for those who subscribe to the multiverse theory as the most likely explanation for reality.
So if we accept the multiverse then here is the argument:
P1: Everything which is logically possible will happen or exist in some universe.
P2: It is logically possible for a theistic, infinite God to exist.
C1: A theistic God exists in some universe.
P3: A theistic God which exists in any universe must by nature exist in every universe (or that God would not be infinite).
C2: A theistic God of some kind exists in our reality.
To be clear, this is not arguing favor of Christianity specifically, and says very little about the supposed God other than that it fits the definition of classical theism – a supreme being that logically could not be greater than it is.
For debate:
Is this argument valid? If not, why?
Does this mean that theism is accurate?
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Post #21. I don't think so because it is metaphysical rather than a logical exercise.
2. It has nothing to do with theism.
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Re: Into the Multiverse
Post #3Firstly,bjs1 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:46 am I have noticed an increase in acceptance of the multiverse theory. Either in the form of an infinite number of universes existing simultaneously, or in the form a single universe repeating an infinite number of times. Either way, the theory of the multiverse is that there is an infinite number of universes and everything which is logically possible is true in some universe.
This thread is not for debating the multiverse. Please do not do so. This thread is for those who subscribe to the multiverse theory as the most likely explanation for reality.
So if we accept the multiverse then here is the argument:
P1: Everything which is logically possible will happen or exist in some universe.
P2: It is logically possible for a theistic, infinite God to exist.
C1: A theistic God exists in some universe.
P3: A theistic God which exists in any universe must by nature exist in every universe (or that God would not be infinite).
C2: A theistic God of some kind exists in our reality.
To be clear, this is not arguing favor of Christianity specifically, and says very little about the supposed God other than that it fits the definition of classical theism – a supreme being that logically could not be greater than it is.
For debate:
Is this argument valid? If not, why?
Does this mean that theism is accurate?
P1: Everything which is logically possible will happen or exist in some universe.
P2: It is logically possible for a deistic, infinite God to exist.
C1: A deistic, infinite God exists in some universe.
P3: A deistic, infinite God which exists in any universe must by nature exist in every universe (or that God would not be infinite).
C2: A deistic infinite God of some kind exists in our reality.
P4: Two infinite beings(with omnipotence) cannot coexist together.
P5: From both C2 a deistic and a theistic infinite beings coexist together. (Logical contradiction)
C3:Therefore your argument is bogus.
Secondly,
Some argue a infinite God aka omni God is logically impossible. Therefore P2 bogus.
Thirdly,
It is a non-sequitur to go from logically possible to actually possible.
You cannot equate "anything that is logically possible" with "anything that is actually possible in the real omni-verse/multiverse".
You would have be to be omniscient to conclude such a thing for there may be a logically possible thing that exist in the imaginary world of the mind but cannot exist in all of the omni-verse/multiverse.(perfect fluids, perfect spheres do no exist so far as we know in reality)
Also a being cannot know everything because no being, however creative or perfect, can verify that its own knowledge is complete.
A more powerful being1 could make another being2(which is extremely powerful being-practically omnipotent) to create the universe/multiverse/omniverse and make it ignorant of this. Being2 would practically be omniscient except not know
that it does not know that being1(a more powerful being) created it.
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Re: Into the Multiverse
Post #4It would seem to me that this theory - if it implies a god could exist - would imply that any and All gods could exist. All we need is a prospectus and a visa and ticket to the multiverse ruled by the sort of divine being I'd like.
Note. Biblegod comes way down on the list.
On the other hand, it might be a valid argument that in no possible universe could the impossible exist. So in None of those multiverses could there be a square circle or a Burrito so hot that God cannot eat it. The point exists that a Good and Just God that does bad and unjust things is a logical impossibility, so the case is a consideration, I'd think, that in no multiverse theory can Biblegod be a reality. And I'd be obscenely glad to know it.
Note. Biblegod comes way down on the list.
On the other hand, it might be a valid argument that in no possible universe could the impossible exist. So in None of those multiverses could there be a square circle or a Burrito so hot that God cannot eat it. The point exists that a Good and Just God that does bad and unjust things is a logical impossibility, so the case is a consideration, I'd think, that in no multiverse theory can Biblegod be a reality. And I'd be obscenely glad to know it.
