Israel has been attacking Gaza for decades

[thomasdixon]

Israel has been attacking Gaza for decades, trying to ethnically cleans the land for Zion settlements
Timeline: Israel’s attacks on Gaza since 2005
This is the latest assault by Israel on Gaza since the 11-day war in May 2021 killed hundreds and wounded thousands.
https://tinyurl.com/mrxuun7a

Effects of the Gaza War (2008–2009)
There are multiple humanitarian, medical, economic, and industrial effects of the 2008–2009 Gaza War which started with the Israeli air strikes on 27 December 2008 and ended on 18 January with a cease-fire implemented unilaterally by Israel, and later the same day by Hamas and other Palestinian factions. The cease-fire followed twenty-two days of bombardment by land, sea and air which left over 1,300 Palestinians dead and over 5,000 injured, and the death of 13 Israelis. The United Nations Development Programme warned that there will be long-term consequences of the attacks on Gaza because the livelihoods and assets of tens of thousands of Gaza civilians have been affected
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_o ... 80%932009)

The 2014 Gaza War, also known as Operation Protective Edge (Hebrew: מִבְצָע צוּק אֵיתָן, romanized: Miv'tza Tzuk Eitan, lit. 'Operation Strong Cliff'), was a military operation launched by Israel on 8 July 2014 in the Gaza Strip, a Palestinian territory that has been governed by Hamas since 2007. Following the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teenagers in the West Bank by Hamas-affiliated Palestinian militants, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) initiated Operation Brother's Keeper, in which some 350 Palestinians, including nearly all of the active Hamas militants in the West Bank, were arrested. Hamas subsequently fired a greater number of rockets into Israel from the Gaza Strip,
The Israeli military operation aimed to stop rocket fire into Israel from the Gaza Strip.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Gaza_War

[Purple Knight]

It is time for Israel to answer to the same standard that any other country does. No one but Israel would be permitted to do this to another People.

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[Dimmesdale]

It is time for Israel to answer to the same standard that any other country does. No one but Israel would be permitted to do this to another People.

Ever since this latest war began I've been listening to Ben Shapiro and his defense of Israel policy. He keeps reiterating that this is a very stark war of good versus evil and that casualties are the price of ultimate victory. Just as more Germans died in WWII than the Allied powers, it was a necessary step toward ultimate victory. I tend to agree with the likes of Ayn Rand and others who see Israel as a bastion of civilization in comparison to much of the Muslim world, but my agreement tends to stop there. If this was a war that was actually winnable, yes, I'd agree -- we should go all in and make an end of terroristic powers like Hamas. But that is never going to happen. There will always be gridlock in this area of the world. Take out Hamas and some other organization will use Palestinians like pawns in their hatred of Israel. Even though in principle I would agree this is Good Vs. Evil, the fact is, it is a lost cause if we truly treat it like we would WWII. That was winnable. This is not. More extreme action only stokes the flames higher and higher. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong on this point with facts. Try to change my mind.

[Purple Knight]

It is time for Israel to answer to the same standard that any other country does. No one but Israel would be permitted to do this to another People.

Ever since this latest war began I've been listening to Ben Shapiro and his defense of Israel policy. He keeps reiterating that this is a very stark war of good versus evil and that casualties are the price of ultimate victory. Just as more Germans died in WWII than the Allied powers, it was a necessary step toward ultimate victory. I tend to agree with the likes of Ayn Rand and others who see Israel as a bastion of civilization in comparison to much of the Muslim world, but my agreement tends to stop there. If this was a war that was actually winnable, yes, I'd agree -- we should go all in and make an end of terroristic powers like Hamas. But that is never going to happen. There will always be gridlock in this area of the world. Take out Hamas and some other organization will use Palestinians like pawns in their hatred of Israel. Even though in principle I would agree this is Good Vs. Evil, the fact is, it is a lost cause if we truly treat it like we would WWII. That was winnable. This is not. More extreme action only stokes the flames higher and higher. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong on this point with facts. Try to change my mind.

The biggest red flag in my mind is when people start painting the other side as just evil and needing to be destroyed on that basis. I've seen it happen too many times in my personal life, to myself and to others, and it's always a justification of the exact kind of evil they paint the other side as, and they just want no backsies. People can insult me and I just have to take it, because I'm a bad person. Everyone knows it. But the result of that is I'm a punching bag; everyone else is dishing out the thing they say I do, and I'm not.

So, sorry if I stick up for other evil people, and I want them to be treated the same as good people. You know, individually, based on what they do, not bombed inside a hospital because well, they're bad people anyway and Israel is the good guys so yay Israel.

[thomasdixon]

Ever since this latest war began I've been listening to Ben Shapiro and his defense of Israel policy. He keeps reiterating that this is a very stark war of good versus evil and that casualties are the price of ultimate victory. .

These are the Palestinian children killed by Israel in 2016 | The ...
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/.. ... srael-2016

Thirty-five Palestinian children were killed by Israeli soldiers, police and armed civilians during the year, all but four of the deadly incidents ...
Invisible killings: Israel's daily toll of Palestinian children | The ...
https://electronicintifada.net/content/ ... ldren/4263

Convincing the Israeli adults in control of this weaponry in civilian areas that they should not be using it to kill children who are merely stone throwers should not ...
Israel 'killed 25 Palestinian children' in three months | News | Al Jazeera
www.aljazeera.com/.../israel-killed-25- ... 1414083314...

Twenty-five Palestinian children were killed in the last three months of 2015 during a wave of anti-Israeli attacks and the number detained was ...
One Palestinian child killed every 3 days by Israel for 13 years ...

One Palestinian child killed every 3 days by Israel for 13 years: statistics...
“The International Day for the Protection of Children is on June 1,” said a spokesman, “but Palestinian children are still subject to attacks by the Israelis and ...

Israel has killed more than 3,000 children since 28 September 2000 when the Second Intifada began until the end of April 2017, a new report ...
Children in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia
Children in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia

Children in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict refers to the impact of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict .... Though Israeli children were killed in the conflict during the decades prior, the first acts of
12 yr old boy SHOT DEAD in front of your eyes
http://www.themodernreligion.com/jihad/sniper.html

Gaza girl said killed
By Amos Harel and Nir Hasson, Haaretz Correspondents,
and Haaretz Service
IDF troops shot and killed an 8-year-old Palestinian girl who was on her way to school in a Gaza Strip refugee camp
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/494672.html

Photos of a 12 year old palestinian boy being shot by Israeli soldiers and the ambulance driver who tried to save him also being shot and killed.
http://www.palestine-net.com/misc/durra/

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and dead while buying candy with her friends.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2785.shtml

12-year old Hoda Darwish was hit in the head by a bullet fired Two 10 year-old school children were shot in the al-Omaria school run by UNRWA in Rafah, when an Israeli tank fired into their classroom.

Bullets fired from the tank flew through the classroom window, hitting Mahmoud Hamad in the neck and Hisham al Habil in the head. The boys had not even been sitting by the windows but in the middle of the room.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk

[AgnosticBoy]

[Replying to thomasdixon in post #1]

So what is your conclusion? Is it to abolish the state of Israel through any means or does it justify the Palestinian groups attacks on Israel?

Why should I support Palestinians owning any land if they are also a totalitarian state? (not to say that automatically justifies Israel owning land - perhaps none should own land or we shouldn't support any of them)

[LittleNipper]

It is time for Israel to answer to the same standard that any other country does. No one but Israel would be permitted to do this to another People.

I'm so sorry that your feelings seem hurt; however, when 911 occurred there were repercussions and drastic actions taken by the US. Israel has been attacked over and over and over and over by thugs, marauders and murderers. These people don't like Israel. They don't want them to exist. And frankly when the "Palestinians" possessed the land it was nothing but a wasteland. For reference please read Mark Twain's recount of a trip he paid to the "Holy Land". The Jews come and begin to make the area hospitable and suddenly everyone else wants to "take it back," like it really belonged to them in the first place. The Israelis do not attack unless provoked, and GOD has given them the land thousands of years ago with the promise that they would indeed return to reclaim their heritage. There are Muslim/Arab nations all around Israel. Let the "Palestinians" retreat to those areas or learn to be friendly with the Jews that reside in Israel and cooperate with them to make things better for everyone. But if evil people are going to attack Jews, rest assured that Israel has every right to retaliate. And they are far more generous than those individuals who invaded and besieged Israel.

[LittleNipper]

Ever since this latest war began I've been listening to Ben Shapiro and his defense of Israel policy. He keeps reiterating that this is a very stark war of good versus evil and that casualties are the price of ultimate victory. .

These are the Palestinian children killed by Israel in 2016 | The ...
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/.. ... srael-2016

Thirty-five Palestinian children were killed by Israeli soldiers, police and armed civilians during the year, all but four of the deadly incidents ...
Invisible killings: Israel's daily toll of Palestinian children | The ...
https://electronicintifada.net/content/ ... ldren/4263

Convincing the Israeli adults in control of this weaponry in civilian areas that they should not be using it to kill children who are merely stone throwers should not ...
Israel 'killed 25 Palestinian children' in three months | News | Al Jazeera
www.aljazeera.com/.../israel-killed-25- ... 1414083314...

Twenty-five Palestinian children were killed in the last three months of 2015 during a wave of anti-Israeli attacks and the number detained was ...
One Palestinian child killed every 3 days by Israel for 13 years ...

One Palestinian child killed every 3 days by Israel for 13 years: statistics...
“The International Day for the Protection of Children is on June 1,” said a spokesman, “but Palestinian children are still subject to attacks by the Israelis and ...

Israel has killed more than 3,000 children since 28 September 2000 when the Second Intifada began until the end of April 2017, a new report ...
Children in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia
Children in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia

Children in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict refers to the impact of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict .... Though Israeli children were killed in the conflict during the decades prior, the first acts of
12 yr old boy SHOT DEAD in front of your eyes
http://www.themodernreligion.com/jihad/sniper.html

Gaza girl said killed
By Amos Harel and Nir Hasson, Haaretz Correspondents,
and Haaretz Service
IDF troops shot and killed an 8-year-old Palestinian girl who was on her way to school in a Gaza Strip refugee camp
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/494672.html

Photos of a 12 year old palestinian boy being shot by Israeli soldiers and the ambulance driver who tried to save him also being shot and killed.
http://www.palestine-net.com/misc/durra/

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and dead while buying candy with her friends.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2785.shtml

12-year old Hoda Darwish was hit in the head by a bullet fired Two 10 year-old school children were shot in the al-Omaria school run by UNRWA in Rafah, when an Israeli tank fired into their classroom.

Bullets fired from the tank flew through the classroom window, hitting Mahmoud Hamad in the neck and Hisham al Habil in the head. The boys had not even been sitting by the windows but in the middle of the room.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk

So, tell me how many Israelis children were killed over that same time period, or do only the lives of Palestinians count? Unfortunately, war is hell, but the individuals who started it need to be held accountable. And frankly, It is very easy for those seeking pity to stage events aimed at gaining sympathy that they are unworthy of...

[Purple Knight]

It is time for Israel to answer to the same standard that any other country does. No one but Israel would be permitted to do this to another People.

I'm so sorry that your feelings seem hurt; however, when 911 occurred there were repercussions and drastic actions taken by the US. Israel has been attacked over and over and over and over by thugs, marauders and murderers. These people don't like Israel. They don't want them to exist. And frankly when the "Palestinians" possessed the land it was nothing but a wasteland.

This is roughly analogous to South Africa. Whites invaded, and indeed they improved the land. Africans are taking it back. It sucks for the white farmers, they don't see that they have done anything wrong. But, it was never their land, so, ultimately, if they are told to get lost, that is right. Nobody is complaining about white South Africans being thrown out or even killed, because it is not their land.



That's the end of it. It. is. not. their. land.

This is the same standard Israel should be judged by.