Should Christians destroy Satanic displays?

[boatsnguitars]

Why can't people worship Satan in America? Why does this guy think he needs to police people's religious choices?

It sounds like he's a bigot. Is he opening up the idea that we should destroy everything that offends us?

[historia]

What is wrong with destroying a Nazi display? They are both one and the same.

No they aren't. The Nazis were a political party, while the Satanic Temple is a religious group.

The U.S. Constitution provides explicit protections for religious groups. And, in so far as the state of Iowa allows religious groups to set-up displays in its capitol building, those displays should not be defaced out of mutual respect.

Or, you know, we could just not set-up any religious displays in government buildings -- another equitable solution to this issue.

The Nazis were Christians

We should avoid simplistic assertions like this. The Nazis were a secular political party, and many of their members, including much of the top leaders, were actually quite antagonistic toward Christianity.

I mean, that's what Jesus taught by overturning the 'displays' in the Temple, right?

No, that is not at all what that account in the gospels is about.

[boatsnguitars]

Why can't people worship Satan in America? Why does this guy think he needs to police people's religious choices?

It sounds like he's a bigot. Is he opening up the idea that we should destroy everything that offends us?

What is wrong with destroying a Nazi display? They are both one and the same...

Nice try. The Nazis were Christians so not likely to worship Satan.


Tcg

The Nazi's were not Christians. The proof was in the pudding. Did they hang pastors and priests? Did they hate GOD's CHOSEN PEOPLE? Did they believe that salvation came from CHRIST JESUS or NAZI doctrine? Did they believe in freedom of speech or only party line propaganda?

Apparently, you are completely unaware of the brutality of the Christian church towards other Christians. Are you not even aware of the massive death count of Catholics vs Protestants alone?
Christians kill. Whether as Nazis or not.





If Nazis weren't Christian, Christians sure were Nazis!

[oldbadger]

It's interesting. Christians will defend genocide in the Bible, but not civil disobedience?
Also, it seems they often argue their beliefs ought to be forced on children in school as free speech, but seem to feel others don't have that right.

What does the Bible say? Isn't there a single interpretation that all Christians agree on?

There's 'kind' Christianity among some, but so many seem to follow 'cruel' Christianity. As far as what Jesus said about greed and mammon, not that many follow him so much.
And as for self righteous and judgemental people who tear down religious displays, you'll find them amongst atheists and theists.
Sad.

[LittleNipper]

An idol does not belong on public display in any governmental building. And that is exactly what this was. As for Nazis being a Christian organization, the very fact that they hated JEWS, goes against everything that the Bible presents regarding them in it's pages. The fact that the Nazis closed parochial schools and attacked freedom of the press and broadcasting goes against everything the Bible promotes. Anyone who feels otherwise must either be confused or have a hatred of Christianity in general and seek to silence its message altogether.

[oldbadger]

An idol does not belong on public display in any governmental building. And that is exactly what this was.

..... I don't know anything about this group of people or their displays, but the problem with self righteous judgemental people deciding to smash up what they don't like is that such violent displays show us that they are dangerous. Not good.
If you don't like something then try communicating your complaint through proper channels and processes...legally.

[boatsnguitars]

An idol does not belong on public display in any governmental building. And that is exactly what this was. As for Nazis being a Christian organization, the very fact that they hated JEWS, goes against everything that the Bible presents regarding them in it's pages. The fact that the Nazis closed parochial schools and attacked freedom of the press and broadcasting goes against everything the Bible promotes. Anyone who feels otherwise must either be confused or have a hatred of Christianity in general and seek to silence its message altogether.

You are just restating what you said, despite being shown evidence the Nazis worked with the Church. I think you are poisoning the well by trying to say they weren't a "Christian Organization." It's more correct to say the Nazis were very happy to use Christianity, especially the antisemitism, and brainwashed masses to believe certain things about the Arian race.

Saying Nazis go against the Bible is simply a cherry-picked understanding of the Bible. The Bible says a lot of things. And - not for nothing - Christianity isn't just the Bible. It's too easy to claim that, but there is a lot about Christianity that isn't in the Bible. This is obvious from the multiple interpretations, sects, denominations, practices, rites, etc.

You will have to accept that Christianity played a roll in Nazi propaganda. The Church was complicit in some cases - showing how fractured "The Church" is.

It's like saying Fred Phelps's anti-gay tirades have nothing to do with Christianity or the Bible. Or, that the KKK isn't a "Christian Organization." Or that Christian Nationalists aren't Christian.

[LittleNipper]

Read this regarding Dietrich Bonhoeffer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Bonhoeffer And I might add that while Martin Luther, the founder of the Lutheran Church, was divided on the issue of Jews certainly didn't believe that all Jews should be murdered.

Also this WASHINGTON POST article: RETROPOLIS
Hitler hated Judaism. But he loathed Christianity, too.
Hitler’s mother was a devout Catholic. His father considered religion a scam.

By Michael S. Rosenwald
April 20, 2019 at 7:00 a.m. EDT

At first, Adolf Hitler seemed to accept Christianity.

“In his childhood, Hitler was enthralled by the pomp and ritual of the Catholic Church,” wrote Fritz Redlich in his 1999 biography of the Führer. “Allegedly, for a while he even considered becoming a priest.”

But Hitler, born 130 years ago on April 20, 1889, began rejecting religion as a teenager. He was pulled in different directions by his parents.

His mother, Klara, reportedly the only person Hitler ever loved, was a devout Catholic. His father, Alois, with whom Hitler often fought, thought religion was essentially a scam — a “crutch for human weakness,” as another historian put it.

Hitler followed his father’s religious path straight into infamy. He hated Judaism, gleefully murdering 6 million Jews. But he loathed Christianity, too.

Hitler’s mother was ‘the only person he genuinely loved.’ Cancer killed her decades before he became a monster.

“In Hitler’s eyes Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves,” wrote Alan Bullock “Hitler, A Study in Tyranny,” a seminal biography. “Its teaching, he declared, was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle of the fittest.”

[LittleNipper]

What is wrong with destroying a Nazi display? They are both one and the same.

No they aren't. The Nazis were a political party, while the Satanic Temple is a religious group.

The U.S. Constitution provides explicit protections for religious groups. And, in so far as the state of Iowa allows religious groups to set-up displays in its capitol building, those displays should not be defaced out of mutual respect.

Or, you know, we could just not set-up any religious displays in government buildings -- another equitable solution to this issue.

The Nazis were Christians

We should avoid simplistic assertions like this. The Nazis were a secular political party, and many of their members, including much of the top leaders, were actually quite antagonistic toward Christianity.

I mean, that's what Jesus taught by overturning the 'displays' in the Temple, right?

No, that is not at all what that account in the gospels is about.

Personally, I see no rational reason that any governmental public building would allow a Satanic Display to be set up, while at the same time forbidding the general display of Nativity scenes, the Cross, and the Biblical Commandments from the very same access and display. And if you watch the entire video regarding the Satanic Display, you will find that those that set it up actually are ATHEISTS and not devil worshippers. Their intent is/was to mock Christianity and GOD and not promote the virtues of Satan in the least (who has none that I know of anyway).

[historia]

Personally, I see no rational reason that any governmental public building would allow a Satanic Display to be set up, while at the same time forbidding the general display of Nativity scenes, the Cross, and the Biblical Commandments from the very same access and display.

Agreed. In that hypothetical scenario, the government would be enacting a double standard.

But that's not what happened in Iowa. The state government there allows Christian displays in the capitol building as well. In fact, this so-called "Satanic" display was just down the way from a nativity scene.

And if you watch the entire video regarding the Satanic Display, you will find that those that set it up actually are ATHEISTS and not devil worshippers.

Yes, I already noted that above.

Their intent is/was to mock Christianity

No, I think their intent is to reinforce the ideas of religious freedom and the separation of Church and State.

You see, if Iowa allows any religious group to set-up a display in their capitol building, then they have to allow all religious groups the opportunity to do so. Christians complaining about this so-called "Satanic" display is just playing right into their hands.

[LittleNipper]

Personally, I see no rational reason that any governmental public building would allow a Satanic Display to be set up, while at the same time forbidding the general display of Nativity scenes, the Cross, and the Biblical Commandments from the very same access and display.

Agreed. In that hypothetical scenario, the government would be enacting a double standard.

But that's not what happened in Iowa. The state government there allows Christian displays in the capitol building as well. In fact, this so-called "Satanic" display was just down the way from a nativity scene.

And if you watch the entire video regarding the Satanic Display, you will find that those that set it up actually are ATHEISTS and not devil worshippers.

Yes, I already noted that above.

Their intent is/was to mock Christianity

No, I think their intent is to reinforce the ideas of religious freedom and the separation of Church and State.

You see, if Iowa allows any religious group to set-up a display in their capitol building, then they have to allow all religious groups the opportunity to do so. Christians complaining about this so-called "Satanic" display is just playing right into their hands.

Atheists do not accept the notion of a CREATOR and they wish to prevent anyone else from being so exposed. One doesn't honestly pretend to be of some faith of which one isn't affiliated in order to make a truly valid point.