God's Plan?

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For Debate: Why didn't God directly author the Bible himself? Why instead give his instruction(s) to fallible and sinful humans to write down his wishes to paper, which then makes it quite easy for skeptics to conclude that such writings were not from any higher power at all?

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Please quote me where I said you “much (sic) achieve righteousness.” I didn’t say that.

Again, you control the answers, don’t you?

You missed my point. My point is that you are not on the same team or page as 1213.

[1213]

Let's have an example:

1. You come to my house and knock on my door.
2. I answer the door and say hi.
3. You throw a punch at my face.
4. I block the punch. DEFENDING because I'm protecting myself.
5. You stand your ground and try another punch.
6. I block this one and also punch you in the throat, dropping you to the ground. DEFENDING because you are not leaving and continue to assault me until you are stopped.
7. You are taken away in an ambulance.
8. Three days later I wake up and get really mad as I think about what you did.
9. I find your address and go knock on your door.
10. You answer the door and say hi.
11. I punch you in the face. AVENGING because the previous attack was already over and I was safe. I have gone out of my way to now attack you in retaliation when I didn't need to.

You are equating step 11 with steps 4 and 6. They are NOT the same. If you think so, then that's a 'you' problem and a misunderstanding of different concepts.

Hitting has nothing to do with whether it's defending or avenging. Intent and circumstance have everything to do with it.

Ok, thank you. That was a good example. However, if someone continuously attacks a person, I think defending can be also preventing the attacks, which then is more than just blocking the hits.

However, I believe in the case, it was God's punishment for evil nation, not people avenging on their own.

According to the God in the Bible, retaliation is perfectly fine and in fact ordered in Numbers 31 so I would think you would agree with it.

However, also according to the God in the Bible retaliation is NOT fine and you should "turn the other cheek".

Yes, disciples of Jesus should not retaliate. This does not mean that there will be no retaliation, or that it is always wrong.

Don't seek revenge yourselves, beloved, but give place to God's wrath. For it is written, "Vengeance belongs to me; I will repay, says the Lord."
Romans 12:19

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[Replying to 1213 in post #62]

Just think about how all of these debated matters (may have been) cleared up if the 'almighty' opted to write it all down himself So why didn't he?

[1213]

[Replying to 1213 in post #62]

Just think about how all of these debated matters (may have been) cleared up if the 'almighty' opted to write it all down himself So why didn't he?

Even if God would write directly the truth here, it would not matter, if person doesn't want to understand.

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[Replying to 1213 in post #62]

Just think about how all of these debated matters (may have been) cleared up if the 'almighty' opted to write it all down himself So why didn't he?

Even if God would write directly the truth here, it would not matter, if person doesn't want to understand.

Well, damn' if some other Bible apologist didn't just now pull the same crummy argument. If the Bible was full of errors, fails and contradictions, atheists would have no case, even if if they tried hard to make one. But the fact is that the Bible is wrong on science, history (quite a bit) and coherency, so the atheist (or Bible -critic) case is strong and getting stronger, and the excuses of the Bible apologists are getting feebler and more and more based on "Not Understanding" what the evidence for science (e.g cetan sequence validates speciation) and history (Tyre was not destroyed for ever and Exodus looks increasingly dubious) and of course the contradictions of the gospels undermine NT credibility.

Understanding through evidence and reason is beating down "Understanding" which seems no more than faithbased denial of science, reason and even what the bible actually says.

Nice going, Bible apologists.

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Even if God would write directly the truth here, it would not matter, if person doesn't want to understand.

Poisoning the well... Nice!

I guess it's better to go this route, verses asking why God instead insisted upon fallible humans writing down his instructions. What's also funny about your response, is that we have millions who DO want to understand, and disagreement is still very much a thing. Maybe a descent start would be to assure that the messages are clear and infallible? Even otseng acknowledges that the Bible is not inerrant.

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Even if God would write directly the truth here, it would not matter, if person doesn't want to understand.

Poisoning the well... Nice!

I guess it's better to go this route, verses asking why God allowed many fallible humans to write a collection of books in which is said to be from him.

Yes. I wonder whether some Believers cafeteria Christians at lewast w(with some ability to Question) will not see that as a pretty impudent ploy..not unfamiliar, with those who post gobbledegook and when asked to explain this is refused on the grounds the other side is too stupid. It is part of (as Theramin trees 'leaving Faith' said) "A perfect system for protecting lies".

[Clownboat]

[Replying to 1213 in post #62]

Just think about how all of these debated matters (may have been) cleared up if the 'almighty' opted to write it all down himself So why didn't he?

Even if God would write directly the truth here, it would not matter, if person doesn't want to understand.

Holy monkeys, now people have a desire to not understand! What's next, people have a desire to starve?

Could you imagine this in real life?
Person A: I have a direct truth I can provide for you to gain an eternal life of bliss after death.
Person B: I don't want to understand how to get that.

It's even more ridiculous when the scenario is a God writing down a direct truth and still pretending that a person would desire to not understand.
The lengths some go through to maintain a belief is astounding.

[1213]

...If the Bible was full of errors, fails and contradictions, atheists would have no case, even if if they tried hard to make one. ...

You can't show any real error in the Bible, but I can see you have tried hard to do so. It is interesting how weak arguments atheists have.

[1213]

...Even otseng acknowledges that the Bible is not inerrant.

I have not seen any real error in the Bible.