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What was the gospel/good news that Jesus taught the Apostles to share door to door and is the same currently shared??

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Is it possible that Christians have Jesus' Gospel [good news] message incorrect or very incomplete??

Jesus sent the Apostles out door to door two by two sharing the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Reportedly the people, the folks, heard them gladly.

The current Christian version of the gospel message is too premature to be the good news the Apostles of Jesus shared door to door since Jesus was yet to be put to death.

The current gospel runs along the lines [in part and a condensed version for purpose of this question], that God's only begotten Son, Jesus, died for the sins of mankind; it is only through Jesus sacrifice that mankind, humanity, is forgiven; and one must be saved, redeemed by the blood sacrifice of Jesus and then born again taking Jesus into ones heart and soul to enter eternal life in the kingdom of Heaven.

Given that the Apostles could not accept it when Jesus told them he would die and rise, it would not make sense for the Apostles to have said door to door in folks homes, words to the effect that : "Rabbi Jesus, Teacher, our master, is going to die for your sins to mortify "Our Father,[who, Jesus taught IS love,by the way] to appease a angry God who couldn't get over the default of Adam and Eve in the Garden to not live up to God's command to not partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge"

Wouldn't it then make more sense if the Apostles door to door message were along the more appealing lines about the love of God that Jesus taught, something like the loving core of Jesus teachings perhaps that God is our Father and we are all members of the family of humanity each of us a child of God; that we are all family because we all have a Creator Parent in common; we should love God; we should love our neighbor as we love ourselves and do unto them as we would have done unto us; that the spirit of God resides in all of us we only need to listen and wholoves each one of us; and by belief in this we have life eternal

So is it possible in the aftermath of the resurrection and in reacting to the resurrection, did Peter and the Apostles and later Paul substitute the Big News for the Good News, thus creating a religion about Jesus rather than teaching folks how to live the religion OF Jesus and diluting His message of love??

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konagold3 wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:13 am Aloha

Is it possible that Christians have Jesus' Gospel [good news] message incorrect or very incomplete??
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Probably. If the Gospel of the Kingdom would have been preached, the end would have come.

This Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in the whole world for a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Matt. 24:14

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konagold3 wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:13 am Aloha

Is it possible that Christians have Jesus' Gospel [good news] message incorrect or very incomplete??

Jesus sent the Apostles out door to door two by two sharing the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Reportedly the people, the folks, heard them gladly.

The current Christian version of the gospel message is too premature to be the good news the Apostles of Jesus shared door to door since Jesus was yet to be put to death.

The current gospel runs along the lines [in part and a condensed version for purpose of this question], that God's only begotten Son, Jesus, died for the sins of mankind; it is only through Jesus sacrifice that mankind, humanity, is forgiven; and one must be saved, redeemed by the blood sacrifice of Jesus and then born again taking Jesus into ones heart and soul to enter eternal life in the kingdom of Heaven.

Given that the Apostles could not accept it when Jesus told them he would die and rise, it would not make sense for the Apostles to have said door to door in folks homes, words to the effect that : "Rabbi Jesus, Teacher, our master, is going to die for your sins to mortify "Our Father,[who, Jesus taught IS love,by the way] to appease a angry God who couldn't get over the default of Adam and Eve in the Garden to not live up to God's command to not partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge"

Wouldn't it then make more sense if the Apostles door to door message were along the more appealing lines about the love of God that Jesus taught, something like the loving core of Jesus teachings perhaps that God is our Father and we are all members of the family of humanity each of us a child of God; that we are all family because we all have a Creator Parent in common; we should love God; we should love our neighbor as we love ourselves and do unto them as we would have done unto us; that the spirit of God resides in all of us we only need to listen and wholoves each one of us; and by belief in this we have life eternal

So is it possible in the aftermath of the resurrection and in reacting to the resurrection, did Peter and the Apostles and later Paul substitute the Big News for the Good News, thus creating a religion about Jesus rather than teaching folks how to live the religion OF Jesus and diluting His message of love??

Aloha
The disciples were to preach the "kingdom of heaven" to the lost sheep of Israel, and in that errand, to heal the sick. You first have to understand what the "kingdom of heaven" is, and it is given in parables, the most concise being the parables of Mt 13:13-49, whereas the kingdom is stated with respect to two messages, one being the "message" of the "son of man", planted right next to the "message" of the "devil" in the same "field"/NT book. The "many" have gravitated to the "message" of the "false prophets" (Mt 7:15), whereas the "few" remain unconvinced of the validity of the testimony of the false prophet Paul, and the "worthless shepherd", Peter (Zechariah 11:17). The physical kingdom is best described in Ez 36 & 37, with the set up being in Ez 34.

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It is very simple....Jesus said quite clearly: "The good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the earth for a witness to all the nations and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14)

That is what the good news is. Jesus spoke about the Kingdom more than any other thing he talked about. It was of the utmost importance. It still is. Aspects of the kingdom are that Jesus will reign as King over the earth and he and his co-rulers will be aiding humans on earth to restore Paradise to this beautiful planet. The Kingdom is a government seated in heaven which will rule over humans on the earth. Jesus tried to get the Israelites to accept him and become those co-rulers with him, but they, as a whole, rejected him. Then he turned to another "nation," the Christian congregation, made up of not only Jews but also Gentiles. (I Peter 2:9,10 and Acts 15:14) Getting people to accept his Kingdom arrangement was foremost in Jesus' mind, to give them the privilege of reigning with him. (Revelation 5:10)

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1213 wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:50 am
konagold3 wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:13 am Aloha

Is it possible that Christians have Jesus' Gospel [good news] message incorrect or very incomplete??
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Probably. If the Gospel of the Kingdom would have been preached, the end would have come.

This Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in the whole world for a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Matt. 24:14
The gospel of the Kingdom IS now being preached, and there is a little more time to preach. The end will come after God decides that the preaching work is done.

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onewithhim wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:04 pm
1213 wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:50 am
konagold3 wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:13 am Aloha

Is it possible that Christians have Jesus' Gospel [good news] message incorrect or very incomplete??
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Probably. If the Gospel of the Kingdom would have been preached, the end would have come.

This Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in the whole world for a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Matt. 24:14
The gospel of the Kingdom IS now being preached, and there is a little more time to preach. The end will come after God decides that the preaching work is done.

The "great commission" commands Christians to teach the gospel to all nations:

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. (Matthew 28:19-20)

However, even with satellites and television, will we ever spread the true gospel among all nations and fulfill the great commission? Obviously not, since God has to send an angel to fulfill this prophecy before the end of this age can occur:

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. (Revelation 14:6)

So the gospel will not be taught to all nations by mankind.

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myth-one.com wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:42 pm
onewithhim wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:04 pm
1213 wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:50 am
konagold3 wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:13 am Aloha

Is it possible that Christians have Jesus' Gospel [good news] message incorrect or very incomplete??
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Probably. If the Gospel of the Kingdom would have been preached, the end would have come.

This Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in the whole world for a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Matt. 24:14
The gospel of the Kingdom IS now being preached, and there is a little more time to preach. The end will come after God decides that the preaching work is done.

The "great commission" commands Christians to teach the gospel to all nations:

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. (Matthew 28:19-20)

However, even with satellites and television, will we ever spread the true gospel among all nations and fulfill the great commission? Obviously not, since God has to send an angel to fulfill this prophecy before the end of this age can occur:

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. (Revelation 14:6)

So the gospel will not be taught to all nations by mankind.
So now you are questioning Scripture. It says that all the nations will get a witness and then the end will come. It doesn't say that everbody in the nations will be preached to, but the preaching work would be done in all nations. That is true as we can see today. Jehovah's Witnesses have preached in every nation. The end is around the corner.

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onewithhim wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:46 am
myth-one.com wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:42 pm
onewithhim wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:04 pm
1213 wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:50 am
konagold3 wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:13 am Aloha

Is it possible that Christians have Jesus' Gospel [good news] message incorrect or very incomplete??
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Probably. If the Gospel of the Kingdom would have been preached, the end would have come.

This Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in the whole world for a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Matt. 24:14
The gospel of the Kingdom IS now being preached, and there is a little more time to preach. The end will come after God decides that the preaching work is done.

The "great commission" commands Christians to teach the gospel to all nations:

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. (Matthew 28:19-20)

However, even with satellites and television, will we ever spread the true gospel among all nations and fulfill the great commission? Obviously not, since God has to send an angel to fulfill this prophecy before the end of this age can occur:

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. (Revelation 14:6)

So the gospel will not be taught to all nations by mankind.
So now you are questioning Scripture. It says that all the nations will get a witness and then the end will come. It doesn't say that everbody in the nations will be preached to, but the preaching work would be done in all nations.
Here is what it says:

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. (Revelation 14:6)
onewithhim wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:46 amThat is true as we can see today. Jehovah's Witnesses have preached in every nation. The end is around the corner.
Preaching in every nation is not sufficient!

You must preach the "everlasting gospel".

I cannot speak for the Jehovah's Wittnesses, but you preach that mankind will live on the earth eternally.

That's not the gospel message.

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[Replying to 1213 in post #2]
Aloha
Mahalo for the reply

However the question is NOT about the end times, rather the current Christian version of the Gospel regarding the resurrection and the redemption of sin IS NOT the message the Apostles gave door to door as Jesus had not yet been crucified given that fact what was the Gospel message given then??

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konagold3 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:35 pm [Replying to 1213 in post #2]
Aloha
Mahalo for the reply

However the question is NOT about the end times, rather the current Christian version of the Gospel regarding the resurrection and the redemption of sin IS NOT the message the Apostles gave door to door as Jesus had not yet been crucified given that fact what was the Gospel message given then??
The goal, reward, or inheritance to be received by humans qualifying as heirs under terms of either testament is eternal spiritual bodied life. Those who do not qualify will perish.

The only way one could become an heir to eternal life under the first covenant was to not have any sin imputed against you. That is, the wages of sin is death, where sin is defined as disobeying the laws of God. Any sin must be forgiven, or one would pay the wages for that sin through the second death.

Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. (Ecclesiastes 12:13)

That would be the gospel taught prior to Jesus' crucifixion.

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The good news of the gospel after the death of Jesus is different.

That good news is that if one believes in Jesus as their Savior from the wages of their sins, they will gain everlasting life. So sin no longer controls our salvation.

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