GOD'S KINGDOM IS A GOVERNMENT: Why the resistance?

[JehovahsWitness]

I understand that the notion is new to almost everyone but why are so many believers so resistant to the notion of Jesus ruling over the earth (from heaven) to eliminate all human suffering on this planet?

Why do so many Christians praise Jesus as KING but are clearly uncomfortable with him being a KING with this our planet earth as his domain* ? Are Christians so enamoured with human governments that they dont want Christ to take over? WHY the resistance (or avoidance) of the main topic of Jesus preaching?

*King + domain = KINGDOM

LUKE 4:43 NIV

But he said, “I must proclaim the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent

Why do so many that love Jesus and the bible find the idea of a heavenly government taking control of this planet so distasteful or uninteresting or unimportant ? Please help me understand this mystery!


The Good news of the kingdom
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[onewithhim]

I understand that the notion is new to almost everyone but why are so many believers so resistant to the notion of Jesus ruling over the earth (from heaven) to eliminate all human suffering on this planet?

Why do so many Christians praise Jesus as KING but are clearly uncomfortable with him being a KING with this our planet earth as his domain* ? Are Christians so enamoured with human governments that they dont want Christ to take over? WHY the resistance (or avoidance) of the main topic of Jesus preaching?

*King + domain = KINGDOM

LUKE 4:43 NIV

But he said, “I must proclaim the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent

Why do so many that love Jesus and the bible find the idea of a heavenly government taking control of this planet so distasteful or uninteresting or unimprtant ? Please help me understand this mystery!


The Good news of the kingdom
viewtopic.php?p=1146570#p1146570

The kingdom will be ruled by David/son of man (Ezekiel 34 & 37 & Mt 24:29-31 & Daniel 2:45) after all the previous kingdoms have been crushed, all at the same time. He will rule the nations with a "rod of iron" (Rev 19:15) from Jerusalem (Zech 14:16), not from heaven.

But that is where Jesus is---in heaven. He is with the NEW Jerusalem which is in heaven. It is a spiritual Jerusalem, not physical. God and Jesus will be "with" mankind in the same way Jesus is "with" us now. (Matthew 18-20)

[2ndpillar2]

I understand that the notion is new to almost everyone but why are so many believers so resistant to the notion of Jesus ruling over the earth (from heaven) to eliminate all human suffering on this planet?

Why do so many Christians praise Jesus as KING but are clearly uncomfortable with him being a KING with this our planet earth as his domain* ? Are Christians so enamoured with human governments that they dont want Christ to take over? WHY the resistance (or avoidance) of the main topic of Jesus preaching?

*King + domain = KINGDOM

LUKE 4:43 NIV

But he said, “I must proclaim the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent

Why do so many that love Jesus and the bible find the idea of a heavenly government taking control of this planet so distasteful or uninteresting or unimprtant ? Please help me understand this mystery!


The Good news of the kingdom
viewtopic.php?p=1146570#p1146570

The kingdom will be ruled by David/son of man (Ezekiel 34 & 37 & Mt 24:29-31 & Daniel 2:45) after all the previous kingdoms have been crushed, all at the same time. He will rule the nations with a "rod of iron" (Rev 19:15) from Jerusalem (Zech 14:16), not from heaven.

But that is where Jesus is---in heaven. He is with the NEW Jerusalem which is in heaven. It is a spiritual Jerusalem, not physical. God and Jesus will be "with" mankind in the same way Jesus is "with" us now. (Matthew 18-20)

If "Jesus" was in your mist, as you say per Matthew 18-20, then why are your prayers unanswered, and the sick remain sick. I am thinking "Jesus" is not with you now, whether you have two or more, or 200,000. The Jerusalem where the "king" will rule, is where the survivors of the nations/Gentiles, with regard to the plagues, will come every year to bow down to the king, or suffer no rain. I am thinking that there is no rain in heaven. With respect to the Jerusalem of the king, it will have its cooking pots made holy, where sacrifice will be boiled. Apparently they will have pot luck dinners. (Zechariah 14:15-21). As for the Jerusalem on earth, which came down from heaven (Rev 21:2), it will have a tree of life, in which to heal the nations/Gentiles (Rev 22:2), whereas outside the gates, are those who lie, murder, etc. (Rev 22:14-15)

Zechariah 14:15-21 So also like this plague will be the plague on the horse, the mule, the camel, the donkey and all the cattle that will be in those camps.
16Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths. 17And it will be that whichever of the families of the earth does not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, there will be no rain on them. 18If the family of Egypt does not go up or enter, then no rain will fall on them; it will be the plague with which the LORD smites the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths. 19This will be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths.

20In that day there will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, “HOLY TO THE LORD.” And the cooking pots in the LORD’S house will be like the bowls before the altar. 21Every cooking pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will be holy to the LORD of hosts; and all who sacrifice will come and take of them and boil in them. And there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts in that day.

[2ndpillar2]

Your "scriptures" are taken from both the "message" of the "son of man" and the "message" of the "enemy"/"devil" as stated by Yeshua in Matthew 13:13-49.

What? State what scriptures I quoted are from the devil.

I stated that the "scriptures" you stated in this instance were from the son of man, not from the devil/"enemy". Your whole world view is of a Gentile church based on the "message" of the "enemy", that being the message of the false prophet Paul. The "message" that is planted right next to the message of the son of man (Mt 13:24-25).

Matthew 13:24 Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25“But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away. 26“But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also. 27“The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28“And he said to them, ‘An enemy has done this!’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?’ 29“But he said, ‘No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30‘Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn.

I see, well, I don't share your opinion of any part of the Bible as being from the Devil. We are done here. Also, since you are not following the rules of this forum and you don't believe 2 Timothy 3:16, 17 to be true I'm blocking your posts from here on out. Feel free to reply but know that I will not see any of your posts from this day forward. Good bye.

2 Timothy 3:16 was about the holy writings read from Timothy's childhood, which would exclude your NT writings. You can run, but you cannot hide. That you don't believe the "message" of the son of man, is not a startling revelation.

Joshua 23:10 One of you routs a thousand, because the LORD your God fights for you, just as he promised.

[Revelations won]

In my post #13 I asked:

I have a few questions.

Where is the kingdom of God right now?

When was this kingdom restored to the earth?

If so on what date was it restored?


Your response was in Post #15:

Revelations won wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:09 am
I have a few questions.

Question # 1 Where is the kingdom of God right now?
MATTHEW 11:12

Kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press ...

DANIEL 2:44
In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed


My response:

You have NOT answered my questions.

I asked: “Where is the kingdom of God" right now?

You avoided my question by referring to the kingdom of heaven


Question # 2 When was this kingdom restored to the earth?

You did not answer this question. Do you have a day, month, and year when the “Kingdom of God” as found in Daniel 2 and Revelation 14:6 and 7 was restored to the earth?


Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

I have asked 2 direct questions can I get 2 direct answers?

[JehovahsWitness]

In my post #13 I asked:

I have a few questions.

Where is the kingdom of God right now?

Your response was in Post #15:

MATTHEW 11:12

Kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press ...

DANIEL 2:44
In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed

You have NOT answered my questions.

I cannot go beyond scripture; I will not offer PRIVATE INTERPRETATION of the bible , if the words of Almighty God in the HOLY BIBLE are not good enough for you then there is nothing I can add. Scripture should be enough and that is what is there for your answer nothing more!!

Have a nice day, goodbye.


To all respondents, The Scripture above answers and clarifies misunderstandings regarding where the kingdom is.

[2ndpillar2]

In my post #13 I asked:

I have a few questions.

Where is the kingdom of God right now?

Your response was in Post #15:

MATTHEW 11:12

Kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press ...

DANIEL 2:44
In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed

You have NOT answered my questions.

I cannot go beyond scripture; I will not offer PRIVATE INTERPRETATION of the bible , if the words of Almighty God in the HOLY BIBLE are not good enough for you then there is nothing I can add. Scripture should be enough and that is what is there for your answer nothing more!!

Have a nice day, goodbye.


To all respondents, The Scripture above answers and clarifies misunderstandings regarding where the kingdom is.

According to Yeshua, per Matthew 13:13-14, Isaiah 6:9, and Daniel 12:10, understanding is limited to those with insight, as being with ears to hear and eyes to see, and not numbered among the "wicked"/"lawless", which would exclude most "Christians", and JWs.

[Purple Knight]

I understand that the notion is new to almost everyone but why are so many believers so resistant to the notion of Jesus ruling over the earth (from heaven) to eliminate all human suffering on this planet?

Why do so many Christians praise Jesus as KING but are clearly uncomfortable with him being a KING with this our planet earth as his domain* ? Are Christians so enamoured with human governments that they don't want Christ to take over? WHY the resistance (or avoidance) of the main topic of Jesus preaching?

Probably because people have been taught by history and experience that the more holy an earthly king seems he is, the worse he actually is. And when you rule over earth, you become an earthly king. You have to do things in practice, not just in theory. It's fine to preach that people should never hurt one another, when you don't have any power. But what happens when you take over and they're still doing it? Well, you have to hurt people now, to stop them hurting people. And the more demanding the morality of the tyrant, the more tyranny can be expected. Maybe Jesus would be different. Maybe they even know that. The question is whether a visceral reaction based on accumulated knowledge and history is in play here.

Secondly, people might like their free will. They might like getting away with things sometimes. They might be afraid that being totally righteous is the same as dying, because their identity is gone. This is a little ham-fisted and a lot of strawmen (and they're talking about Heaven not Earth) but the basic thing here is more or less what I'm talking about.


Thirdly, they might be brainwashed. I don't think the elites in power really think Jesus is coming to Earth, but they want to preserve their undeserved power and they've made it a meme that the bad guy wants to take over the world. Taking over the world... is fundamentally bad... no matter if you'd run it better or not. They sidle it in, leaving it open-ended whether the villain would be a better government than already exists, precisely so people don't think about it. This is what they're selling children from a young age, on purpose, so that no matter how crappy they are, the guy who wants to oust them is evil. It seems to work on almost everyone.

[JehovahsWitness]

I understand that the notion is new to almost everyone but why are so many believers so resistant to the notion of Jesus ruling over the earth (from heaven) to eliminate all human suffering on this planet?

Why do so many Christians praise Jesus as KING but are clearly uncomfortable with him being a KING with this our planet earth as his domain* ? Are Christians so enamoured with human governments that they don't want Christ to take over? WHY the resistance (or avoidance) of the main topic of Jesus preaching?

Probably because people have been taught by history and experience that the more holy an earthly king seems he is, the worse he actually is. ....

Emphasis MINE


So basically the resistance is that the words "Jesus (not a human but a mighty spirit) destroying and replacing all human rule " simply does not register in their brains. That's fair enough but why don't they seek clarification? Why launch into a faulty retoric with memes and cartoons without asking for details ?

(I'm really asking more about CHRISTIANS , not atheists that immediately just think about the dark ages and don't believe such a thing as rule by a spirit KING from heaven is possible because they do not believe in spirits)


Thanks for sharing though, irrelevancies aside, the idea that the elites that presently run things wouldnt like it is funny to me (read Psalm 2 to see why).


JW

[onewithhim]

I understand that the notion is new to almost everyone but why are so many believers so resistant to the notion of Jesus ruling over the earth (from heaven) to eliminate all human suffering on this planet?

Why do so many Christians praise Jesus as KING but are clearly uncomfortable with him being a KING with this our planet earth as his domain* ? Are Christians so enamoured with human governments that they dont want Christ to take over? WHY the resistance (or avoidance) of the main topic of Jesus preaching?

*King + domain = KINGDOM

LUKE 4:43 NIV

But he said, “I must proclaim the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent

Why do so many that love Jesus and the bible find the idea of a heavenly government taking control of this planet so distasteful or uninteresting or unimprtant ? Please help me understand this mystery!


The Good news of the kingdom
viewtopic.php?p=1146570#p1146570

The kingdom will be ruled by David/son of man (Ezekiel 34 & 37 & Mt 24:29-31 & Daniel 2:45) after all the previous kingdoms have been crushed, all at the same time. He will rule the nations with a "rod of iron" (Rev 19:15) from Jerusalem (Zech 14:16), not from heaven.

But that is where Jesus is---in heaven. He is with the NEW Jerusalem which is in heaven. It is a spiritual Jerusalem, not physical. God and Jesus will be "with" mankind in the same way Jesus is "with" us now. (Matthew 18-20)

If "Jesus" was in your mist, as you say per Matthew 18-20, then why are your prayers unanswered, and the sick remain sick. I am thinking "Jesus" is not with you now, whether you have two or more, or 200,000. The Jerusalem where the "king" will rule, is where the survivors of the nations/Gentiles, with regard to the plagues, will come every year to bow down to the king, or suffer no rain. I am thinking that there is no rain in heaven. With respect to the Jerusalem of the king, it will have its cooking pots made holy, where sacrifice will be boiled. Apparently they will have pot luck dinners. (Zechariah 14:15-21). As for the Jerusalem on earth, which came down from heaven (Rev 21:2), it will have a tree of life, in which to heal the nations/Gentiles (Rev 22:2), whereas outside the gates, are those who lie, murder, etc. (Rev 22:14-15)

Zechariah 14:15-21 So also like this plague will be the plague on the horse, the mule, the camel, the donkey and all the cattle that will be in those camps.
16Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths. 17And it will be that whichever of the families of the earth does not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, there will be no rain on them. 18If the family of Egypt does not go up or enter, then no rain will fall on them; it will be the plague with which the LORD smites the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths. 19This will be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths.

20In that day there will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, “HOLY TO THE LORD.” And the cooking pots in the LORD’S house will be like the bowls before the altar. 21Every cooking pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will be holy to the LORD of hosts; and all who sacrifice will come and take of them and boil in them. And there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts in that day.

You aren't understanding that all those prophecies are now about spiritual Israel and spiritual Jerusalem---the "New Jerusalem."

When Jesus said that he was in their midst, he was referring to the Pharisees and the crowd that had gathered around him. He was in the midst of that crowd, and he wanted them to understand that the King of the Kingdom was there in the midst of the crowd.

Since Israel rejected the Messiah, all the prophecies about physical Israel are now about spiritual Israel and the "Jerusalem above." (Galatians 4:22-26)

[2ndpillar2]

I understand that the notion is new to almost everyone but why are so many believers so resistant to the notion of Jesus ruling over the earth (from heaven) to eliminate all human suffering on this planet?

Why do so many Christians praise Jesus as KING but are clearly uncomfortable with him being a KING with this our planet earth as his domain* ? Are Christians so enamoured with human governments that they dont want Christ to take over? WHY the resistance (or avoidance) of the main topic of Jesus preaching?

*King + domain = KINGDOM

LUKE 4:43 NIV

But he said, “I must proclaim the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent

Why do so many that love Jesus and the bible find the idea of a heavenly government taking control of this planet so distasteful or uninteresting or unimprtant ? Please help me understand this mystery!


The Good news of the kingdom
viewtopic.php?p=1146570#p1146570

The kingdom will be ruled by David/son of man (Ezekiel 34 & 37 & Mt 24:29-31 & Daniel 2:45) after all the previous kingdoms have been crushed, all at the same time. He will rule the nations with a "rod of iron" (Rev 19:15) from Jerusalem (Zech 14:16), not from heaven.

But that is where Jesus is---in heaven. He is with the NEW Jerusalem which is in heaven. It is a spiritual Jerusalem, not physical. God and Jesus will be "with" mankind in the same way Jesus is "with" us now. (Matthew 18-20)

If "Jesus" was in your mist, as you say per Matthew 18-20, then why are your prayers unanswered, and the sick remain sick. I am thinking "Jesus" is not with you now, whether you have two or more, or 200,000. The Jerusalem where the "king" will rule, is where the survivors of the nations/Gentiles, with regard to the plagues, will come every year to bow down to the king, or suffer no rain. I am thinking that there is no rain in heaven. With respect to the Jerusalem of the king, it will have its cooking pots made holy, where sacrifice will be boiled. Apparently they will have pot luck dinners. (Zechariah 14:15-21). As for the Jerusalem on earth, which came down from heaven (Rev 21:2), it will have a tree of life, in which to heal the nations/Gentiles (Rev 22:2), whereas outside the gates, are those who lie, murder, etc. (Rev 22:14-15)

Zechariah 14:15-21 So also like this plague will be the plague on the horse, the mule, the camel, the donkey and all the cattle that will be in those camps.
16Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths. 17And it will be that whichever of the families of the earth does not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, there will be no rain on them. 18If the family of Egypt does not go up or enter, then no rain will fall on them; it will be the plague with which the LORD smites the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths. 19This will be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths.

20In that day there will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, “HOLY TO THE LORD.” And the cooking pots in the LORD’S house will be like the bowls before the altar. 21Every cooking pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will be holy to the LORD of hosts; and all who sacrifice will come and take of them and boil in them. And there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts in that day.

You aren't understanding that all those prophecies are now about spiritual Israel and spiritual Jerusalem---the "New Jerusalem."

When Jesus said that he was in their midst, he was referring to the Pharisees and the crowd that had gathered around him. He was in the midst of that crowd, and he wanted them to understand that the King of the Kingdom was there in the midst of the crowd.

Since Israel rejected the Messiah, all the prophecies about physical Israel are now about spiritual Israel and the "Jerusalem above." (Galatians 4:22-26)

Galatians 4 is a bunch of gobble Dee gook. As Revelation states, Judah, the Jews will be as a fire among the bramble as pertaining to their neighbors. Their neighbors just shot 250 missiles at them yesterday, and they were shot down. Now the fire from Judah will light up their neighbors (Zech 12:6) As for saying the kingdom is within, that would be the power and spirit is within, and therefore Yeshua and his disciples were able to raise the dead and heal the sick. That is not true for yourself. What is true, is that the LORD will bring the nations/Gentiles against Jerusalem (Rev 14:2), and the "nations"/Gentiles will be struck down by a plague in the form similar to radiation poisoning (Zech 14:12), and then the king will rule over the "nations"/Gentiles from Jerusalem on earth, for 1000 years (Rev 20:4). At the end of the millennium, the dead will be raised from their graves and judged according to their deeds (Rev 20:12). My suggestion is to not believe anyone who says "he is in the wilderness", which would be Paul's story (Matthew 24:26).

Matthew 24:26, “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.