Is Genesis Intended to Be a Reliable and Literal Account of Events, or Not?

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Is Genesis Intended to Be a Reliable and Literal Account of Events, or Not?

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The Tanager wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2024 1:42 pm He's writing poetically, but he's not writing poetically about the sun; he is talking about a fictional love. Just like Genesis isn't claiming to be a reliable guide on the order of creation. To treat them as such is the error, not the errors mistreating them as such fabricates.
I've spoken to many smart and well-read individuals on both ends of this topic question. After thousands of years, why is this topic still not settled? What IS the SIMPLE answer?

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POI wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:17 pm
The Tanager wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2024 1:42 pm He's writing poetically, but he's not writing poetically about the sun; he is talking about a fictional love. Just like Genesis isn't claiming to be a reliable guide on the order of creation. To treat them as such is the error, not the errors mistreating them as such fabricates.
I've spoken to many smart and well-read individuals on both ends of this topic question. After thousands of years, why is this topic still not settled? What IS the SIMPLE answer?

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Like with Yeshua and his parables (Mt 13:13-14, Genesis is meant to be reliable, but in the form of parables, whereas only the righteous will be able to have insight (Daniel 12:10). The imagery of Genesis is key to understanding the physics of creation. That is why Newton relied on the bible to uncover the basics of science.

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POI wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:17 pm Is Genesis meant to be reliable and literal, as it pertains to the ordering of events/etc, or not?
I believe so.

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It is entirely up to the individual as to whether the stories are to be taken in a literal or figurative (or mix of both) sense.

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William wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:53 pm It is entirely up to the individual as to whether the stories are to be taken in a literal or figurative (or mix of both) sense.
Gee, thanks William ;) What is THE answer and how do you know?
William wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:53 pm Why do you ask?
Because there exists a huge divide, and it would sure be nice to know if the author(s) of Genesis believed what they were writing about was actual reality, or not? Is there a way to know the author's intent?
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2ndpillar2 wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2024 6:13 am
POI wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:17 pm
The Tanager wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2024 1:42 pm He's writing poetically, but he's not writing poetically about the sun; he is talking about a fictional love. Just like Genesis isn't claiming to be a reliable guide on the order of creation. To treat them as such is the error, not the errors mistreating them as such fabricates.
I've spoken to many smart and well-read individuals on both ends of this topic question. After thousands of years, why is this topic still not settled? What IS the SIMPLE answer?

For Debate: Is Genesis meant to be reliable and literal, as it pertains to the ordering of events/etc, or not?
Like with Yeshua and his parables (Mt 13:13-14, Genesis is meant to be reliable, but in the form of parables, whereas only the righteous will be able to have insight (Daniel 12:10). The imagery of Genesis is key to understanding the physics of creation. That is why Newton relied on the bible to uncover the basics of science.
1) Is anyone deemed 'righteous'?
2) How does one know if one is 'righteous'?
3) If some are 'righteous', what is the answer given by the ones who are deemed 'righteous'?
4) What exactly do you mean by, "that is why Newton relied on the bible to uncover the basics of science." ??
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1213 wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:55 am
POI wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:17 pm Is Genesis meant to be reliable and literal, as it pertains to the ordering of events/etc, or not?
I believe so.
Thanks for answering the simple question. I have a follow up question. Assuming you took science courses in school, if/when you come across any parts which do not appear to align with any of the claim(s) in Genesis, how do you proceed? Do you just reject the scientific discovery, or other?

Further, what do you think the author of Genesis would say regarding some later scientific discoveries not aligning with some the claim(s) from Genesis? Would he ask that we ignore those discoveries, or other?
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Is there a way to know the author's intent?
Perhaps you can employ the ouija device and ask, since the author has long departed. Otherwise, no there is not.
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William wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:22 pm [Replying to POI in post #5]
Is there a way to know the author's intent?
Perhaps you can employ the ouija device, since the author has long departed. Otherwise, no there is not.
Hmm, do we also need the same "ouija device" to determine other parts of the Bible too? I mean, maybe claims to "Jesus's rising" is not actually meant to be literal either?
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POI wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:27 pm
William wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:22 pm [Replying to POI in post #5]
Is there a way to know the author's intent?
Perhaps you can employ the ouija device, since the author has long departed. Otherwise, no there is not.
Hmm, do we also need the same "ouija device" to determine other parts of the Bible too? I mean, maybe claims to "Jesus's rising" is not actually meant to be literal either?
My point is, any answers (including ones that you come up with) depend on ones' personal interpretation because the answer to your question cannot be answered by the actual author, here on this internet message board.

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