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Are you a doubting Thomas?

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The disciples were having their last supper with the Lord. The other disciples witnessed Judas as he left them to betray the Lord. Jesus and the disciples, including Thomas, leave the house and go to the garden, where they find Judas with a band of men. The disciples witness Jesus being taken away to Annas and then to the High Priest Caiaphas.

Acts 18:15 states that the disciples followed Jesus. The next time the disciples see Jesus is when he is carrying his cross. Now they saw a man cut, bloodied, and bruised by the 39 lashes of a whip, and beaten with a rod, his beard pulled out, and a crown of 2-inch thorns pushed down on his head, cutting through his skin to his skull, blood running down his face, back and chest. The disciples were witnessing a man weakened from torture, bloodied, tired, and dehydrated. When they reached the spot of the cross, they saw the Roman soldier pound six-inch spikes through his hands and feet, then lifted up, and left to die.

When Jesus took his last breath, the disciples saw a Roman soldier take a spear and thrust it through his side, John 19:34, “One of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side and forthwith came there out blood and water.” A sure sign that Jesus was dead. They saw his body being taken down, wrapped in cloth, and brought to the tomb. They also witnessed the tomb being sealed with a giant stone

Days later, after absorbing the events of his death and burial, the Lord appeared to ten of his disciples; Thomas was not there. When the others told Thomas that they had been with Jesus alive, Thomas said to him,
“Except I shall see in his hands the prints of the nails and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I WILL NOT BELIEVE.”

Eight days later, Thomas himself sees the Lord. He witnesses him coming into the room, a room where the doors had been shut. Jesus walks over to Thomas, knowing what he had said earlier, and tells him, “Reach hither your finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.”

The last time Thomas had seen Jesus, he was bloodied, beaten, and a broken man. He saw him take his last breath, then witnessed a spear thrust through his side. He saw him taken to his tomb, wrapped in burial clothes, placed in the tomb, and a large stone rolled across the entrance. These were the last sights Thomas had of the man he walked with for 3 ½ years.

But now he sees Jesus whole, and with the power of the Holy Spirit. And with great amazement, Thomas stood face to face, looking into Jesus' eyes, touching his hands and his side, then said to him,

John 20:28, “My Lord and my God.” Acknowledging Jesus for who he was, his Lord and his God.

The text is clear, Jesus comes into a room through a closed door, walks over to Thomas, and asks him to come to him and reach into the wounds in his hands and side. Thomas is now satisfied that the person standing before him is the same person he witnessed on the cross, broken, bloodied, and beaten, put to death, and laid in a tomb. The reality of the one standing before him had set in. In amazement, Thomas said to Jesus, “My Lord and my God.”

Thomas made amends for his doubt and would be the first of millions of Christians who would give the title of "God" to Jesus. From this moment forward, the disciple treated Jesus with supreme respect, never using the same familiarity towards him they had often used before. His resurrection gave them proof of his Divinity.

John 20:30-31, “And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are NOT WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK: But these are written, that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you might have life through his name.”
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placebofactor wrote: Thu Jun 19, 2025 5:10 pm ...
John 20:28, “My Lord and my God.” Acknowledging Jesus for who he was, his Lord and his God.

The text is clear, Jesus comes into a room through a closed door, walks over to Thomas, and asks him to come to him and reach into the wounds in his hands and side. Thomas is now satisfied that the person standing before him is the same person he witnessed on the cross, broken, bloodied, and beaten, put to death, and laid in a tomb. The reality of the one standing before him had set in. In amazement, Thomas said to Jesus, “My Lord and my God.”

Thomas made amends for his doubt and would be the first of millions of Christians who would give the title of "God" to Jesus....
I think it is little hypocritical to call Jesus God, but not believe what he said.

How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascend-ing to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28
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1213 wrote: Fri Jun 20, 2025 2:46 am
placebofactor wrote: Thu Jun 19, 2025 5:10 pm ...
John 20:28, “My Lord and my God.” Acknowledging Jesus for who he was, his Lord and his God.

The text is clear, Jesus comes into a room through a closed door, walks over to Thomas, and asks him to come to him and reach into the wounds in his hands and side. Thomas is now satisfied that the person standing before him is the same person he witnessed on the cross, broken, bloodied, and beaten, put to death, and laid in a tomb. The reality of the one standing before him had set in. In amazement, Thomas said to Jesus, “My Lord and my God.”

Thomas made amends for his doubt and would be the first of millions of Christians who would give the title of "God" to Jesus....
I think it is little hypocritical to call Jesus God, but not believe what he said.

How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascend-ing to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28
I believe it's hypocritical not to call Jesus God, the evidence is overwhelming, that is, unless an organization decides to change the Bible to suit their own purpose.

And of course, the Watchtower in their so-called Bible, the New World Translation, has changed the meaning of all the following verses. They had to rewrite the Bible because the King James Bible they were using until 1961 stood as a stone wall against their false teaching. Don't let the Watchtower fool you, their foundation was based on the teaching of the King James Bible until 1961.

Isaiah 9:6, a prophet of God said, the Son given is, "The Mighty God and Everlasting Father." Isaiah believed in one God, and with strong words declares the Son of God to be God, plain, simple, easy to understand. The Watchtower claims Isaiah doesn't know what he's talking about.

And an angel from God calls Jesus God, Matthew 1:23, "His name Emmanuel = God with us." How can you not understand the simplicity of these words? Are you calling an angel from God a liar?

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, calls Him God, 1 Timothy 3:16; Jesus is "God with us." This supports Matthew 1:23. But the Watchtower had to change the wording in this verse, to support their false teaching.

Jesus' own words in Revelation 1:8, He calls himself "the Almighty." Again the Watchtower had to change Revelation 1:1 in order to discredit the truth of the WHOLE book of Revelation.

John 1:1, He is called the Word of God, who is God. I'm not even going to get into this one. The N.W.T. greatest hoax, "Jesus is a god."

Revelation 19:13, He's called the Word.

Manoah, the father of Sampson, calls him God in Judges 13:22. Of course Manoah was there, a witness, but of course, the Watchtower knows more than Manoah.

God appeared to Abraham in Genesis 18:1, "The LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre:" If no man has seen the Father, then Abraham was either on drugs, drunk, or he was with God himself.

Jacob wrestled with God, "I have seen God and lived." Maybe Jacob was so weary from his trip that he only imagined he wrestled with God.

Jesus, Old Testament Jehovah married Israel, gave her a bill of divorce. He is sent back by the Father to purchase her back from bondage. He gives his life for her and will marry her again. But the Watchtower claims it was the Father, Jehovah, who married Israel, then divorced her; then sent his Son back to purchase her from bondage, now wants his Son to marry his divorced wife. Is that your position also?

Adam and Eve hid from God after they sinned. That means they knew God and had seen him walking in the garden, so they hid from him. Wait one minute, it must have been Jesus because no man has seen the Father.

I'll stop here, don't want to bore you any further.

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Remember, when Jesus walked up to Thomas and told him to touch the wounds in his side and his hands, Thomas was no more than one foot from Jesus. After reaching into his wounds, he looked into Jesus' face, and then deep into his eyes, and knew then it was the Lord standing before him. And when this reality set in, he acknowledged, declaring to the world that Jesus was his "Lord and God."

Put yourself in Thomas's place. He doubted the resurrection of Jesus, even though his fellow disciples told him that Jesus had been with them. He needed proof; he needed to see and touch the Lord for himself to be convinced. And when the Lord came to him, I cannot even imagine the shock and numbness that came over Thomas. His breath must have left his body, his heart went to 180 beats per minute, and he was numb throughout. And when reality set in, his heart cried out to Jesus, "My Lord and my God!" A beautiful beginning for Thomas and those who witnessed the event.

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placebofactor wrote: Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:04 am Isaiah 9:6, a prophet of God said, the Son given is, "The Mighty God and Everlasting Father."
Even the King James version says "his name is called...". And that is understandable, because Bible tells God has given his name to Jesus. It is not the same as calling Jesus the God.

...His name is called Wonderful, Counselor, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:6
I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them through your name which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in your name. Those whom you have given me I have kept. None of them is lost, except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
John 17:11-12
placebofactor wrote: Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:04 amAnd an angel from God calls Jesus God, Matthew 1:23, "His name Emmanuel = God with us." ... ...Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, calls Him God, 1 Timothy 3:16; Jesus is "God with us."
Bible tells God dwells in Jesus. Therefore the name, God with us is reasonable, God is with us, in Jesus. Doesn't mean Jesus is himself the God.

For in him all the fullness of the Deity dwells bodily,
Col. 2:9
Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Fa-ther who lives in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me; or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
John 14:10-11
placebofactor wrote: Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:04 amJesus' own words in Revelation 1:8, He calls himself "the Almighty."
Why do you think it is Jesus who says that, and not God Himself?
placebofactor wrote: Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:04 am John 1:1, He is called the Word of God,
John 1:1 doesn't really say Jesus is the Word.
placebofactor wrote: Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:04 amRevelation 19:13, He's called the Word.
Revelation says about that person: "having a name that had been written, which no one knows except Himself". How can you know he is Jesus, if his name is not known by anyone else than him?
placebofactor wrote: Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:04 am Jacob wrestled with God, "I have seen God and lived." Maybe Jacob was so weary from his trip that he only imagined he wrestled with God.
Bible tells the person was a man who called himself a god. Doesn't mean the person was the one and only true God.
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1213 wrote: Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:54 am
placebofactor wrote: Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:04 am Isaiah 9:6, a prophet of God said, the Son given is, "The Mighty God and Everlasting Father."
Even the King James version says "his name is called...". And that is understandable, because Bible tells God has given his name to Jesus. It is not the same as calling Jesus the God.

...His name is called Wonderful, Counselor, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:6
I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them through your name which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in your name. Those whom you have given me I have kept. None of them is lost, except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
John 17:11-12
placebofactor wrote: Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:04 amAnd an angel from God calls Jesus God, Matthew 1:23, "His name Emmanuel = God with us." ... ...Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, calls Him God, 1 Timothy 3:16; Jesus is "God with us."
Bible tells God dwells in Jesus. Therefore the name, God with us is reasonable, God is with us, in Jesus. Doesn't mean Jesus is himself the God.

For in him all the fullness of the Deity dwells bodily,
Col. 2:9
Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Fa-ther who lives in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me; or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
John 14:10-11
placebofactor wrote: Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:04 amJesus' own words in Revelation 1:8, He calls himself "the Almighty."
Why do you think it is Jesus who says that, and not God Himself?
placebofactor wrote: Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:04 am John 1:1, He is called the Word of God,
John 1:1 doesn't really say Jesus is the Word.
placebofactor wrote: Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:04 amRevelation 19:13, He's called the Word.
Revelation says about that person: "having a name that had been written, which no one knows except Himself". How can you know he is Jesus, if his name is not known by anyone else than him?
placebofactor wrote: Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:04 am Jacob wrestled with God, "I have seen God and lived." Maybe Jacob was so weary from his trip that he only imagined he wrestled with God.
Bible tells the person was a man who called himself a god. Doesn't mean the person was the one and only true God.
You wrote, "Bible tells God dwells in Jesus. Therefore the name, God with us is reasonable, God is with us, in Jesus. Doesn't mean Jesus is himself the God.

The seed that was implanted in Mary was a living entity; it had life, and that life was, "The Word of God." It was the Logos. All Mary did was put flesh around that seed. The seed would grow into a man with flesh, this so he could communicate with men face to face. That man would be called Jesus, his name changed, but he was still the Logos, who is God, only now covered with flesh. John 1:1. He is God, the Logos manifest (come) in the flesh. He is God with us, our Creator.

He was sent to purchase back the wife he divorced, the wife that betrayed him, they being, the sons of Abraham, who were his bride. The Word, Jesus, redeemed her for a price; the price he paid for his bride was his life. Now that she has been purchased back, he will in the future take her AGAIN FOR HIS BRIDE. It was the Father who sent him to purchase back his divorced wife; this was the Father's will for his Son.

For in him all the fullness of the Deity dwells bodily,
Col. 2:9, Correct, if ALL THE FULLNESS OF THE Father dwells in him, he is God.

Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Fa-ther who lives in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me; or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
John 14:10-11

He, Jesus is in the Father, and the Father is in him. If Jesus is in the Father, what does that make the Father, Jesus?

I have one more thing to say, all this conversation is useless. Why? Until a person understands who the person of the Holy Spirit is, they will follow the cults and false teachers. There is one teacher only, it's not the Pope of Rome, the Mormons, or Jehovah's Witnesses Watchtower, or some yokel standing on a street corner, it's the Holy Spirit alone who is our teacher, sent from the resurrected Christ. Until a person understands that they are LOST!!!!!!

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