Darkness was upon the face of the deep

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I would like to discuss this subject with someone who has an open mind and who has given Genesis 1:2 a great deal of thought. Let's not add any more ideas to what I have written; only consider what follows. "Is it possible?"

Genesis 1:2, takes place on the first day of the creation: "And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face (surface) of the deep (or bottom of the ocean)."

The meaning of without form or void can best be described and understood in Jeremiah 4:23. If you have time, read it and the surrounding verses. After you read Jeremiah, can we put a fallen demon world in place of the fallen Jews Jeremiah speaks of?

The Hebrew word "darkness" has a dual meaning. 1. It can point to a place without light, such as the sun, moon, candle etc. But it also has a second meaning; it speaks of a separation from Divine truth or the absence of God’s light, also chaos and disorder. Before creation, the world was in a state of formlessness, which some interpret as spiritual or moral confusion.

The word deep also has several meanings. It is interpreted in this verse as the bottom of the ocean, or it can mean the "gates of hell."

We are told the sun, moon, and stars were created on the 4th day. So, to say Genesis 1:2 is referring to darkness as meaning without the sun, moon, and stars would be a waste of words, because it is so obvious. So, I take it to mean a place where Lucifer and his fallen angels were sent by their creator because of their rebellion, sent before the earth was taken up out of the water. I tie this thinking to Jude 6, "And the angels which kept not their first (proper) estate, but LEFT their own habitation, he (the LORD) has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

Before you comment, if you have a question concerning any of my above comments, please ask, and I will give my answer. I am attempting to tie this in with end-time prophecy. I love the subject, have been putting it to a hard study for the past 15 years. I am bringing it up because I believe we are close to the start of the Great Tribulation.

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I would like to discuss this subject with someone who has an open mind and who has given Genesis 1:2 a great deal of thought. Let's not add any more ideas to what I have written; only consider what follows. "Is it possible?"

Genesis 1:2, takes place on the first day of the creation: "And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face (surface) of the deep (or bottom of the ocean)."

The meaning of without form or void can best be described and understood in Jeremiah 4:23. If you have time, read it and the surrounding verses. After you read Jeremiah, can we put a fallen demon world in place of the fallen Jews Jeremiah speaks of?

The Hebrew word "darkness" has a dual meaning. ...

I can agree that darkness can have two or more meanings. Here are few examples of how darkness can be understood:

to open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the authority of Satan to God, in order that they may receive remission of sins, and an inheritance among those being sanctified by faith in Me.
Acts 26:18
Because it is God who said, "Out of darkness Light shall shine," who shone in our hearts to give the brightness of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
2 Cor. 4:6
You are the light of the world.
Matt. 5:14
And this is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness more than the Light, for their works were evil. For everyone practicing wickedness hates the Light, and does not come to the Light, that his works may not be exposed. But the one doing the truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they exist, having been worked in God.
John 3:19-21

But, in the case of Genesis 1:2, I think it would be good to notice first, in the Bible, "earth" means dry land, not the whole planet.

...God called the dry land Earth...
Gen. 1:9-10

So, in the beginning there was no dry land, until God stretched it above the water.

To him who spread out the earth above the waters; ...
Ps. 136:6

I think that confirms that the "great deep" means water and that this planet was at the beginning covered fully with water. And in this case I think the darkness means there was no physical light, because God had not yet said "Let light be!" Gen. 1:3. God was there already, so in this case I don't think the light and darkness means light in some other than physical meaning.

But, this doesn't necessary mean there could not be a fallen demon world in the abyss. I just think that the darkness in Genesis is about physical lack of light.

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I would like to discuss this subject with someone who has an open mind and who has given Genesis 1:2 a great deal of thought. Let's not add any more ideas to what I have written; only consider what follows. "Is it possible?"

Genesis 1:2, takes place on the first day of the creation: "And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face (surface) of the deep (or bottom of the ocean)."

The meaning of without form or void can best be described and understood in Jeremiah 4:23. If you have time, read it and the surrounding verses. After you read Jeremiah, can we put a fallen demon world in place of the fallen Jews Jeremiah speaks of?

The Hebrew word "darkness" has a dual meaning. ...

I can agree that darkness can have two or more meanings. Here are few examples of how darkness can be understood:

to open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the authority of Satan to God, in order that they may receive remission of sins, and an inheritance among those being sanctified by faith in Me.
Acts 26:18
Because it is God who said, "Out of darkness Light shall shine," who shone in our hearts to give the brightness of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
2 Cor. 4:6
You are the light of the world.
Matt. 5:14
And this is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness more than the Light, for their works were evil. For everyone practicing wickedness hates the Light, and does not come to the Light, that his works may not be exposed. But the one doing the truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they exist, having been worked in God.
John 3:19-21

But, in the case of Genesis 1:2, I think it would be good to notice first, in the Bible, "earth" means dry land, not the whole planet.

...God called the dry land Earth...
Gen. 1:9-10

So, in the beginning there was no dry land, until God stretched it above the water.

To him who spread out the earth above the waters; ...
Ps. 136:6

I think that confirms that the "great deep" means water and that this planet was at the beginning covered fully with water. And in this case I think the darkness means there was no physical light, because God had not yet said "Let light be!" Gen. 1:3. God was there already, so in this case I don't think the light and darkness means light in some other than physical meaning.

But, this doesn't necessary mean there could not be a fallen demon world in the abyss. I just think that the darkness in Genesis is about physical lack of light.

What I found strange about that verse is, darkness was upon the surface of the deep, also called the abyss or the (bottom of the ocean,) and the Holy Spirit was on the surface of the water. If darkness does represent evil spirits, it appears to be a separation of good and evil before the creation of living things begins.

Two more issues, I believe the heavens and earth were created from the throne of the Father and Son first. Then I understand "Let there be light" was the moment the Father sent his Son to begin the creation on the planet Earth. Also, in every Bible I have, Genesis 1:3, sends us to,

2 Corinthians 4:6, "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, has shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ." It's called the Shekinah glory, a light that radiates out from the LORD.

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....Also, in every Bible I have, Genesis 1:3, sends us to,....

That is surprising, for example King James says:

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen. 1:3

I don't know any translation that says "sends us to".

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....Also, in every Bible I have, Genesis 1:3, sends us to,....

That is surprising, for example King James says:

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen. 1:3

I don't know any translation that says "sends us to".

I was pointing to the side references, the columns that are alongside each verse, and/or the footnotes.

For example, almost every Bible concerning Genesis 1:1 tells us in their side columns or margins to see John 1:1-3.

John 1-3 are similar verses that support the teaching of Genesis 1:1, adding more information.
Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning god Created the heaven and the earth." With

John 1:1-3, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Verse 3, "All things were made by him (Jesus); and without him was not anything made that was made."

And verse 3 of John points us to,

Colossians 1:16, "For by him (Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven and that are in earth,----." Get it?