A question for Atheists . . .
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A question for Atheists . . .
Post #1What are some of your best minds in the literary world? Who should I be reading?
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Re: A question for Atheists . . .
Post #2If you mean novels then I can't help you there. If you mean more academic stuff book yourself into a philosophy major, begin with the Greeks and read on. For me the guy to read without a shadow of a doubt is Wittgenstein. But it is difficult to understand Wittgenstein, if that is even possible, without some wider philosophical grounding in logic and language. So Russell and Frege would be needed.achilles12604 wrote:What are some of your best minds in the literary world? Who should I be reading?
Re: A question for Atheists . . .
Post #3I don't know that I would start with philosophers. My Philosophy 101 class stared out with Dostoevsky (bad choice) but got better with Sir Thomas Moores Utopia and Descartes Method of Discourse.Furrowed Brow wrote:If you mean novels then I can't help you there. If you mean more academic stuff book yourself into a philosophy major, begin with the Greeks and read on. For me the guy to read without a shadow of a doubt is Wittgenstein. But it is difficult to understand Wittgenstein, if that is even possible, without some wider philosophical grounding in logic and language. So Russell and Frege would be needed.achilles12604 wrote:What are some of your best minds in the literary world? Who should I be reading?
I think starting with the basics of critical thinking (logical) would be better. After understanding the basics of logic, then I would start with Kant: Foundations of the Metaphysics of morals or Descartes Discourse on Method.
But knowing how devout a Christian you are Achilles, I would say start with Ancient Literature. The Norton Anthology of Ancient Literature is very good and might give you some insights as to why one would question the Christian religion when we have heard the story repeated by so many other religions, some that predate Christianity and the OT, and Judaism. For example, the Epic of Gilgamesh is one of my favorite. When you start to see the parallels in stories (Genesis) you may understand the confusion.
What we do for ourselves dies with us,
What we do for others and the world remains
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What we do for others and the world remains
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Re: A question for Atheists . . .
Post #4Well if you are going to read Kant, you better get a library ticket for Hume and J.S Mill who are from the other side of the spectrum.Confused wrote:I don't know that I would start with philosophers. My Philosophy 101 class stared out with Dostoevsky (bad choice) but got better with Sir Thomas Moores Utopia and Descartes Method of Discourse.Furrowed Brow wrote:If you mean novels then I can't help you there. If you mean more academic stuff book yourself into a philosophy major, begin with the Greeks and read on. For me the guy to read without a shadow of a doubt is Wittgenstein. But it is difficult to understand Wittgenstein, if that is even possible, without some wider philosophical grounding in logic and language. So Russell and Frege would be needed.achilles12604 wrote:What are some of your best minds in the literary world? Who should I be reading?
I think starting with the basics of critical thinking (logical) would be better. After understanding the basics of logic, then I would start with Kant: Foundations of the Metaphysics of morals or Descartes Discourse on Method.
But knowing how devout a Christian you are Achilles, I would say start with Ancient Literature. The Norton Anthology of Ancient Literature is very good and might give you some insights as to why one would question the Christian religion when we have heard the story repeated by so many other religions, some that predate Christianity and the OT, and Judaism. For example, the Epic of Gilgamesh is one of my favorite. When you start to see the parallels in stories (Genesis) you may understand the confusion.
Post #5
Point taken. I show my own biases. And Hume isn't to difficult to understand as a beginning author, but Mill, I don't know if that is a good starter.
What we do for ourselves dies with us,
What we do for others and the world remains
and is immortal.
-Albert Pine
Never be bullied into silence.
Never allow yourself to be made a victim.
Accept no one persons definition of your life; define yourself.
-Harvey Fierstein
What we do for others and the world remains
and is immortal.
-Albert Pine
Never be bullied into silence.
Never allow yourself to be made a victim.
Accept no one persons definition of your life; define yourself.
-Harvey Fierstein
Post #6
How about Why Darwin Matters: A case against intelligent design by Michael Shermer.
What we do for ourselves dies with us,
What we do for others and the world remains
and is immortal.
-Albert Pine
Never be bullied into silence.
Never allow yourself to be made a victim.
Accept no one persons definition of your life; define yourself.
-Harvey Fierstein
What we do for others and the world remains
and is immortal.
-Albert Pine
Never be bullied into silence.
Never allow yourself to be made a victim.
Accept no one persons definition of your life; define yourself.
-Harvey Fierstein
Post #7
Plato (Socrates,) Nietzsche, Einstein, Douglas Adams, Isaac Asimov, Primo Levi, Phillip Pulman, Ayn Rand, Salman Rushdie, P.B. Shelley, Kurt Vonnegut, Ibn Warraq
Men at ease have contempt for misfortune
as the fate of those whose feet are slipping.
as the fate of those whose feet are slipping.
Re: A question for Atheists . . .
Post #9I think it's a mistake to rate writers based primarily on their religious affiliation, or lack thereof; same applies to their gender or race or food preference or whatever. You should read books because they are enaging, or interesting, or thought-provoking, or just generally well-written, regardless of who the author is.achilles12604 wrote:What are some of your best minds in the literary world? Who should I be reading?
Post #10
I am currently reading Richard Dawkin's "The God Delusion", and I must say it is pretty good.
Probably not of the "best minds in the literary world", but still good reading none the less.
Probably not of the "best minds in the literary world", but still good reading none the less.