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A deity is a supernatural being, who is always of significant power. Supernatural are entities, events regarded as beyond nature, impossible to explain. Perception is the process of attaining awareness or understanding of sensory information. Science refers to a system of acquiring knowledge based on the scientific method. Scientific method refers to the body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting previous knowledge. It is based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.
Human Intuition, is apparent ability to acquire knowledge without clear inference or reasoning process. Intuition in its simplest form is not an educated guess, its more of an emotion that triggers either cognitive actions or instinctual reflexes.
All that aside, there is an element of the human psyche (soul) that is unobservable without this, science can not begin to rationalize it. Elements of the soul are beyond all current scientific explanation. We need something more than just science. Does anyone agree with this philosophy?
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Whether or not it was an intentional act of a creator (and whether that creator is merely the spark that created the physical universe or is a cogniscent entity is irrelevant), we have been gifted with the senses to perceive tangible things. We have been gifted with reason, instincts, intelligence, and an innate curiousity (again, whether by evolution or by design is irrelevant) that provide us with the ability to judge and act based on evidence and perception. It makes no sense that a creator would imbue us with this extremely strong ability to perceive via the senses, and then give a very convoluted, emotion-based, personal experience-based, 'inkling' to a select few individuals, and not to others, and then judge us based off whether or not we can perceive and believe in the supernatural, which is by definition, outside of human understanding. As science continues to advance much to the chagrin of theists and self-proclaimed spiritualists, the previously thought 'unknowable' processes that occur in the human body and psyche are observedly rational in origin.
Either the supernatural is just the figment of our imagination and the product of the chimpanzee part of our brain at work, or else God is purposely making it hard for his believers to prove of his existence despite those who remain unconvinced, who like those who believe, are utilizing the senses he gave to them to make their best educated guess at something no one knows for certain.
Either the supernatural is just the figment of our imagination and the product of the chimpanzee part of our brain at work, or else God is purposely making it hard for his believers to prove of his existence despite those who remain unconvinced, who like those who believe, are utilizing the senses he gave to them to make their best educated guess at something no one knows for certain.
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It is not our place to try to understand our creator, the pursuit of that knowledge is one of the gravest of offenses against him. We can not know anything before the time we have on this planet, not even film is without its illusions. What we do have is each other, prove that you are a person of good will and you will please your creator. He does not ask for psalm, praise, or tribute. All he asks for is for you to turn down the offer of temptation, turn down the opportunity to have power over another, refuse the temptation of the pursuit of absolute power.
If I was to tell anyone something it is to live a humble life, a truly humble life, simply care for others with an open heart. If someone hurts you, hug them, feel sorry for them, pray for them, but do not try to correct them for it will ultimately lead to more corruption on both ends. Peace be with you.
If I was to tell anyone something it is to live a humble life, a truly humble life, simply care for others with an open heart. If someone hurts you, hug them, feel sorry for them, pray for them, but do not try to correct them for it will ultimately lead to more corruption on both ends. Peace be with you.
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Post #4An example of that power would help in determining whteher the entity exists and is supernatural or notSimon_Peter wrote:Hello everyone,
A deity is a supernatural being, who is always of significant power.
If something happens in the natural world it is, by definition, natural. If that something in currently unable to be explained, if the answer to 'why? is i do not know, to claim it is the result of the supernatural is an example of the argument from ignorance. It is a logical fallacy.Simon_Peter wrote: Supernatural are entities, events regarded as beyond nature, impossible to explain.
All is perception. Every aspect of human experience is the product of perception and as such is a mental construct.Simon_Peter wrote: Perception is the process of attaining awareness or understanding of sensory information.
Yes, and....?Simon_Peter wrote: Science refers to a system of acquiring knowledge based on the scientific method. Scientific method refers to the body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting previous knowledge. It is based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.
And as such it cannot be differentiated from wishful thinking.Simon_Peter wrote: Human Intuition, is apparent ability to acquire knowledge without clear inference or reasoning process. Intuition in its simplest form is not an educated guess, its more of an emotion that triggers either cognitive actions or instinctual reflexes.
The soul cannot be observed, intuitively or scientifically. What can be observed are characteristics of soul (as I understand it.)Simon_Peter wrote: All that aside, there is an element of the human psyche (soul) that is unobservable without this, science can not begin to rationalize it. Elements of the soul are beyond all current scientific explanation. We need something more than just science. Does anyone agree with this philosophy?
"Whatever you are totally ignorant of, assert to be the explanation of everything else"
William James quoting Dr. Hodgson
"When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I see I am everything, that is love. My life is a movement between these two."
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Post #5On the contrary,sometimes, the conclusions that human intuition can come up with can sometimes be tested in the real world. Sometimes, they can not be.bernee51 wrote:And as such it cannot be differentiated from wishful thinking.Simon_Peter wrote: Human Intuition, is apparent ability to acquire knowledge without clear inference or reasoning process. Intuition in its simplest form is not an educated guess, its more of an emotion that triggers either cognitive actions or instinctual reflexes.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�
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Post #6Pure intuition? Without any other mitigating influences? Does such a state exist?goat wrote:On the contrary,sometimes, the conclusions that human intuition can come up with can sometimes be tested in the real world. Sometimes, they can not be.bernee51 wrote:And as such it cannot be differentiated from wishful thinking.Simon_Peter wrote: Human Intuition, is apparent ability to acquire knowledge without clear inference or reasoning process. Intuition in its simplest form is not an educated guess, its more of an emotion that triggers either cognitive actions or instinctual reflexes.
"Whatever you are totally ignorant of, assert to be the explanation of everything else"
William James quoting Dr. Hodgson
"When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I see I am everything, that is love. My life is a movement between these two."
Nisargadatta Maharaj
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Post #7What is 'pure intuition'? doesn't exist. HUMAN intuition does. Sometimes it can be wishful thinking. Other times, it can be the subconscious picking up clues , and figuring out relationships that are not known by the conscious mind. And, sometimes those work, sometimes those does..bernee51 wrote:Pure intuition? Without any other mitigating influences? Does such a state exist?goat wrote:On the contrary,sometimes, the conclusions that human intuition can come up with can sometimes be tested in the real world. Sometimes, they can not be.bernee51 wrote:And as such it cannot be differentiated from wishful thinking.Simon_Peter wrote: Human Intuition, is apparent ability to acquire knowledge without clear inference or reasoning process. Intuition in its simplest form is not an educated guess, its more of an emotion that triggers either cognitive actions or instinctual reflexes.
An example of this is the famous double helix dream of James Watson. Jame's Watson dreams of intertwining snakes, which was symbolizing the double helix
of DNA. His intuition let him dream a symbolic dream, which was the solution he had been looking for. He knew the solution, he just didn't KNOW he knew it, until the dream.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�
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Post #8How do you know what you just explained them to be is true, then? If they are impossible to explain, how is it possible that you know this much about them? Surely, you can't even use an example from the natural world as an anology since you don't know if you are correct or not.Simon_Peter wrote:Hello everyone,
A deity is a supernatural being, who is always of significant power. Supernatural are entities, events regarded as beyond nature, impossible to explain.
To say you already know something about the supernatural (deities are made up of it, it is able to contain power, impossible to explain, is beyond nature) contradicts your claim that it is impossible to know anything about it.
What is the difference between Supernatural and Subnatural? How about Hypernatural or Intranatural? Are they likewise unexplainable? Yes. Like Mystical, or Spiritual, or Intuitional, etc.
Imagine the people who believe ... and not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible.... It is these ignorant people�who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us...I.Asimov
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Hey everyone,
I agree its impossible to understand the mind of the creator. And also agree that if its impossible to explain, then how can one gather conclusions about it. But if its impossible to explain, how can one teach about God. And i am positive many do teach others about him..
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I agree its impossible to understand the mind of the creator. And also agree that if its impossible to explain, then how can one gather conclusions about it. But if its impossible to explain, how can one teach about God. And i am positive many do teach others about him..
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Many people can teach what they believe about the mind of the creator. But, are they teaching the truth, or anything near accurate?Simon_Peter wrote:Hey everyone,
I agree its impossible to understand the mind of the creator. And also agree that if its impossible to explain, then how can one gather conclusions about it. But if its impossible to explain, how can one teach about God. And i am positive many do teach others about him..
Regards
Simon
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�
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