Is there ANY scientific evidence could show there is no God?

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Is there ANY scientific evidence could show there is no God?

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Is there any scientific evidence that, if discovered, would prove to a Christian that the God of the Bible is man made and does not correspond to reality? In other words, is there anything you can imagine that would demonstrate there is no God?

Many Christian apologists appeal to science to support their belief in the Christian God; however, I suggest those apologists do not actually accept any scientific evidence that might suggest this 'God Story' is a hoax. I would like to test this hypothesis by asking if there is anything science could report that would convince believers in the God of the Bible that the Biblical claims about God are false?

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[My post #4 attributed some of what Wootah wrote to me. My error. I hope this clarifies]

The fact of evolution only shows that postulating a God is not necessary to explain the variety of species.
Wootah wrote:
If i believe in evolution then the Christian God is necessarily false.

A good loving God cant logically justify a billion year horror show called evolution.
I don't necessarily agree with that, but since evolution IS a fact as well proved as gravity, then the conclusion based on your claim is that there is no loving God. This opinion of yours explains why some fight so hard against the reality that science suggests. This viewpoint is a good example of why some Christians deny the reality that science presents.

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Wootah wrote: If i believe in evolution then the Christian God is necessarily false.

A good loving God cant logically justify a billion year horror show called evolution.
So, you do not believe in evolution because it would prove the existence of your God is a false belief. Do you also refuse to believe that animals have preyed upon and eaten other animals for thousands of years? Is the thousands [or millions] of years of men and other animals killing each other also not prove there is no 'good loving God?' Or do reject that history as well? Doesn't the fact of thousands of birth defects and other horrific 'mistakes of nature' also suggest that this loving God of all creation does not exist? Or do you not believe in birth defects either?

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Danmark wrote:
Wootah wrote: If i believe in evolution then the Christian God is necessarily false.

A good loving God cant logically justify a billion year horror show called evolution.
So, you do not believe in evolution because it would prove the existence of your God is a false belief. Do you also refuse to believe that animals have preyed upon and eaten other animals for thousands of years? Is the thousands [or millions] of years of men and other animals killing each other also not prove there is no 'good loving God?' Or do reject that history as well? Doesn't the fact of thousands of birth defects and other horrific 'mistakes of nature' also suggest that this loving God of all creation does not exist? Or do you not believe in birth defects either?
The violence is from after the fall of man, after man wrecked it all. If there was no fall then it implies God intended the violence as part of a good creation.

Edit: removed unnecessary line.
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Wootah wrote:
If i believe in evolution then the Christian God is necessarily false.
Only if you take a hyper-literal view of the first few chapters of Genesis. Many Christians manage to accept the obvious truth of evolution and yet maintain their irrational belief in god.

A good loving God cant logically justify a billion year horror show called evolution.
It is the belief in a good loving god that would show Christianity false as it teaches nothing of the kind.

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Wootah wrote:
Danmark wrote:
Wootah wrote: If i believe in evolution then the Christian God is necessarily false.

A good loving God cant logically justify a billion year horror show called evolution.
So, you do not believe in evolution because it would prove the existence of your God is a false belief. Do you also refuse to believe that animals have preyed upon and eaten other animals for thousands of years? Is the thousands [or millions] of years of men and other animals killing each other also not prove there is no 'good loving God?' Or do reject that history as well? Doesn't the fact of thousands of birth defects and other horrific 'mistakes of nature' also suggest that this loving God of all creation does not exist? Or do you not believe in birth defects either?
Inane questions aside let me get to your point.

The violence is from after the fall of man, after man wrecked it all. If there was no fall then it implies God intended the violence as part of a good creation.
Yes, I expected a reference to the 'fall of man,' the usual apologists' explanation for the fact that nature involves pain and suffering. However YOU are the one who referred to evolution as "a billion year horror show" and said you couldn't believe in it because it would prove your God is "necessarily false."

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Danmark wrote:
Wootah wrote:
Danmark wrote:
Wootah wrote: If i believe in evolution then the Christian God is necessarily false.

A good loving God cant logically justify a billion year horror show called evolution.
So, you do not believe in evolution because it would prove the existence of your God is a false belief. Do you also refuse to believe that animals have preyed upon and eaten other animals for thousands of years? Is the thousands [or millions] of years of men and other animals killing each other also not prove there is no 'good loving God?' Or do reject that history as well? Doesn't the fact of thousands of birth defects and other horrific 'mistakes of nature' also suggest that this loving God of all creation does not exist? Or do you not believe in birth defects either?
Inane questions aside let me get to your point.

The violence is from after the fall of man, after man wrecked it all. If there was no fall then it implies God intended the violence as part of a good creation.
Yes, I expected a reference to the 'fall of man,' the usual apologists' explanation for the fact that nature involves pain and suffering. However YOU are the one who referred to evolution as "a billion year horror show" and said you couldn't believe in it because it would prove your God is "necessarily false."
Yes. That's my argument. Your thread is asking for scientific evidence that disproves the Christian God and I offered a suggestion.
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Wootah wrote:
The flood is believed to be just.
Given that there is no evidence that the flood as described in Genesis ever happened, there is no reason to consider it anything other than mythology. If such an event had happened, there would be no reason to consider it anything other than the unjust actions of a raving lunatic god who can't control it's temper.

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Wootah wrote: Yes. That's my argument. Your thread is asking for scientific evidence that disproves the Christian God and I offered a suggestion.
Actually my thread asked if there was ANY scientific evidence that would disprove the the validity of belief in the Biblical God. I appreciate your candor in saying that if evolution was proved, it would also prove the Biblical God is false.

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Wootah wrote: If there was no fall then it implies God intended the violence as part of a good creation.
Why is that a problem though, simply alter your beliefs and accept that God's intention of violence to be just, as you believe the flood is just.

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Bust Nak wrote:
Wootah wrote: If there was no fall then it implies God intended the violence as part of a good creation.
Why is that a problem though, simply alter your beliefs and accept that God's intention of violence to be just, as you believe the flood is just.
There was no sin before there was sin. Beliefs need to be rational.
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