What does Intelligent Design prove?

man · Post by **man** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:41 am

What does Intelligent Design prove?

I must have asked that question a thousand times in various forms and comment sections and not one single person has ever said, It proves there is a god.

Why is that?

benchwarmer · Post by **benchwarmer** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:19 pm

theStudent wrote:
This is quite interesting.

I find that when any evidence is provided that completely shuts down the evolution theory, that evidence is totally ignored, and the chants continue, as though nothing else matters than, "science is the real religion, down with God religion."
That's the objective.

What I find really interesting is that you have not been able to provide any evidence that I have seen in any of your threads that 'completely shuts down the evolution theory' yet you keep trotting out statements like this. You still haven't even got it yet that the TOE has nothing to do with abiogenesis as shown by your reply in post 8:

What is the explanation for life?
A. Evolution
B. Intelligent design

Every time you make this mistake it just proves you don't understand what you are attacking.

Further, you really think the objective of science is to chant 'down with God'? You also think science is a religion? Wow. Do you not understand that science is a method? I think you might need to pull out a dictionary and compare the words 'science' and 'religion'.

Donray · Post by **Donray** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:22 pm

theStudent:

Why did you not address the issues of why your god would have designed a brain that malfunctions about 25% of the time?

Why would an intelligent designer create man with a weak back that causes problems in over 30% of people. What about knee joints that don't last?

Why did you god create cancer? Explain why an intelligent designer would create cancer?

theStudent · Post by **theStudent** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:32 pm

[Replying to post 21 by benchwarmer]

Are you going to just keep singing about what I say, and singing that old tune about my lack of understanding, Or are you going to provide something that can pass as an argument, against anything I say?

theStudent · Post by **theStudent** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:36 pm

Donray wrote: theStudent:

Why did you not address the issues of why your god would have designed a brain that malfunctions about 25% of the time?

Why would an intelligent designer create man with a weak back that causes problems in over 30% of people. What about knee joints that don't last?

Why did you god create cancer? Explain why an intelligent designer would create cancer?

...why your god would have designed a brain that malfunctions about 25% of the time?
1. Didn't happen.

Why would an intelligent designer create man with a weak back that causes problems in over 30% of people. What about knee joints that don't last?
2. Didn't happen.

Why did you god create cancer? Explain why an intelligent designer would create cancer?
3. Didn't happen.

Where did you get this stuff from?

Donray · Post by **Donray** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:48 pm

theStudent wrote:
Donray wrote: theStudent:

Why did you not address the issues of why your god would have designed a brain that malfunctions about 25% of the time?

Why would an intelligent designer create man with a weak back that causes problems in over 30% of people. What about knee joints that don't last?

Why did you god create cancer? Explain why an intelligent designer would create cancer?
...why your god would have designed a brain that malfunctions about 25% of the time?
1. Didn't happen.

Why would an intelligent designer create man with a weak back that causes problems in over 30% of people. What about knee joints that don't last?
2. Didn't happen.

Why did you god create cancer? Explain why an intelligent designer would create cancer?
3. Didn't happen.

Where did you get this stuff from?

Then why so much mental illness if the brain is not at fault? I thought you beloved that God created the brain.

You don't think there is cancer? I thought you think the God created man. You are showing ignorance if you don't there is cancer.

You also appear to know nothing about biology and don't understand that the human spine in the same as a four legged animal that just stated to stand upright. It is not an ideal design for man. So again why did God screw up in his designs and creations?

Tell me what in this grand intelligent design are the purpose of BLACK HOLES?

You don't seem to know much and are just saying because I don't know God did it. The God of the gap in intelligence.

God created viruses to kill his creations does not sound very intelligent. Tell me, why did God create virus?

theStudent · Post by **theStudent** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:33 pm

[Replying to post 25 by Donray]

Donray wrote:Then why so much mental illness if the brain is not at fault? I thought you beloved that God created the brain.

Did you ask me if mental illnesses starts in the brain, or why God created a brain that malfunctions about 25% of the time?
I answered the latter.
If you want to know why the brain malfunctions, perhaps you should tell me, since you believe that science tells us much about life. Or don't you think that?

Donray wrote:You don't think there is cancer? I thought you think the God created man. You are showing ignorance if you don't there is cancer.

Didn't you ask me

Why would an intelligent designer create man with a weak back that causes problems in over 30% of people. What about knee joints that don't last?

?
You didn't ask me if I believe there is cancer.

You seem confused.
If I don't know, why are you asking me questions?
When you get that sorted out, inform me.

theStudent · Post by **theStudent** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:41 pm

Donray wrote:
theStudent wrote:There was a guy, who once said to me, "Men build computers, even super computers, but which is greater, the computer, or the brain that built it?
And I thought that was so reasonable.
Where would computers be, if man had no brain?

Acutely today computers are designing computers.

So, why did your god design faulty brains? Why didn't your god make brains perfect?

Don't respond that Eve eating some fruit that knew she eat caused the problem.

I never saw any information that says God created faulty brains.
Could you show me where you got that information?

theStudent · Post by **theStudent** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:04 pm

[Replying to post 12 by man]

I think I now understand your question.
I had to do some research on ID, and realized it was different to the intelligent design I had in mind.
This is not what I had in mind.
The New York Times Magazine. Writer Claudia Wallis stated that intelligent design proponents are careful not to bring God into the discussion. And Newsweek magazine commented that I.D. has nothing to say on the existence and identity of the designer.

When I say intelligent design, I am referring to design by an intelligent being.
I guess I will have to use a different term.

So to answer your question, I can't speak for ID promoters, but if you ask me how can an intelligence creator be useful, I would say the expression alone provides the answer.

Now it appears, I have jumped in the wrong thread.

JoeyKnothead · Post by **JoeyKnothead** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:06 pm

From Post 27:

theStudent wrote: I never saw any information that says God created faulty brains.
Could you show me where you got that information?

We can't know that until we can know God created brains. If he never did, he can't possibly have made a faulty one.

"God created brains because God created" might hold in the pews, but in fair and honorable debate, you'll need something better'n that.

Donray · Post by **Donray** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:06 pm

theStudent wrote:
Donray wrote:
theStudent wrote:There was a guy, who once said to me, "Men build computers, even super computers, but which is greater, the computer, or the brain that built it?
And I thought that was so reasonable.
Where would computers be, if man had no brain?

Acutely today computers are designing computers.

So, why did your god design faulty brains? Why didn't your god make brains perfect?

Don't respond that Eve eating some fruit that knew she eat caused the problem.
I never saw any information that says God created faulty brains.
Could you show me where you got that information?

Good example is yours.

You are the one that believes that God created man and did not just evolve.

I don't understand you. Do you believe there is mental illness? Do you believe mental illness is caused by a malfunctioning brain? If either are yes then God did not create perfection as something intelligent would do.

Where do you think cancer came from since you believe that God crested life and all life has cancer? Why did your god create cancer? You seem afraid to discuss the issues about a non perfect man that a god would create.

You have no answers therefore your god does not exist.

You cannot respond with reason why your God created virus and what use are they to mankind?

You failed to tell use the use of Black Holes in the perfectly designed universe.

You don't much about your god do you? Maybe your should study your god and come up with reason for all the imperfect stuff it created according to you.

You failed to address the bad back (spine) that your god put in man that sure looks like an animal spine meant for fore leg animals.

You ask other to explain, but you are incapable of explaining your gods actions.