What does Intelligent Design prove?

[man]

[man]

From Post 124:

While I am not sure that theStudent will return to this topic, except in secret, what I post here would not be incorrectly considered to be bait. I have engaged theStudent in another of his topics he created this week and I continue to pursue these issues with him.

How might one debate the undebatable?

But yeah, I've only ever seen 'intelligent design' promoted by the unintelligent (read "ignorant" as a clincal definition).

It's pretty tough to win a debate with someone who has magical powers on their side.

Read Zzyzx. He's got supernatural, non-magical powers of intelligence.

Can you explain what you mean?

[Kenisaw]

Student may have just forgotten about this topic too. I know I get into so many threads sometimes that I forget some of them. Either way, the conversation continues elsewhere at this site. It always does...

[RonE]

[Replying to post 132 by Kenisaw]

On his profile you can see his last login was Friday 8-12.

[Neatras]

[Replying to post 133 by RonE]

I'd give the benefit of the doubt and say he's simply gone on vacation, or is spending time away from the keyboard. It's not the first time he's seemingly vanished, only to turn up later in full force. In fact, the moment he returned he posted several times in a matter of minutes, as if he had a whole array of posts neatly typed up BEFORE he addressed each one individually.

Just in case, I suggest we all get ready for some... interesting posts.

[RonE]

[Replying to post 134 by Neatras]

If you look at a user's list of recent posts you can see things like that. I saw him preping his manifesto and read it on the member notes sub-forum

[PghPanther]

There was a guy, who once said to me, "Men build computers, even super computers, but which is greater, the computer, or the brain that built it?
And I thought that was so reasonable.
Where would computers be, if man had no brain?

Acutely today computers are designing computers.

So, why did your god design faulty brains? Why didn't your god make brains perfect?

Don't respond that Eve eating some fruit that knew she eat caused the problem.

I never saw any information that says God created faulty brains.
Could you show me where you got that information?

Good example is yours.

You are the one that believes that God created man and did not just evolve.

I don't understand you. Do you believe there is mental illness? Do you believe mental illness is caused by a malfunctioning brain? If either are yes then God did not create perfection as something intelligent would do.

Where do you think cancer came from since you believe that God crested life and all life has cancer? Why did your god create cancer? You seem afraid to discuss the issues about a non perfect man that a god would create.

You have no answers therefore your god does not exist.

You cannot respond with reason why your God created virus and what use are they to mankind?

You failed to tell use the use of Black Holes in the perfectly designed universe.

You don't much about your god do you? Maybe your should study your god and come up with reason for all the imperfect stuff it created according to you.

You failed to address the bad back (spine) that your god put in man that sure looks like an animal spine meant for fore leg animals.


You ask other to explain, but you are incapable of explaining your gods actions.

and while we are at it...........wisdom teeth that become impacted because the jaw bone is too small for the teeth.............and why our sinus cavities are still designed to drain properly if we were on 4 legs instead of 2 causes lots of sinus allergy problems...........

and why there are 10,000s of bad bacteria in the gut that cause flatulence.......so am I to believe everything in nature that is designed and falls short of perfect is the result of the fall of man with original sin from that garden story? ........so then farting the result of the fall of man too?

Hey look at it from the standpoint of the bad bacteria in the gut, viruses and weeds (Bible says weeds appeared in the garden after sin). They are perfectly designed for their existence but conflict in ruining the perfect design of the hosts or areas they infect.........

Besides weeds are of tremendous value in the balance of the soil/nitrogen ecosystem....just because they are of no value to most humans doesn't mean they are not of value to our ecosystem and ultimately to all soil/plant life to sustain human life......

What a mess this Student guy believes!

For goodness sake wake up and deal with reality as it is Student not what you need to fit your conclusions before you know what you are dealing with!

[man]

[Replying to post 136 by PghPanther]

AND all of the faults in our design are explained exceedingly well by evolution, but not at all by creationism.

[PghPanther]

[Replying to post 136 by PghPanther]

AND all of the faults in our design are explained exceedingly well by evolution, but not at all by creationism.

Exactly, why because the end result of apply the scientific method is the creation of working models of consistency and predictability within reality......

[H.sapiens]

There was a guy, who once said to me, "Men build computers, even super computers, but which is greater, the computer, or the brain that built it?
And I thought that was so reasonable.
Where would computers be, if man had no brain?

Acutely today computers are designing computers.

So, why did your god design faulty brains? Why didn't your god make brains perfect?

Don't respond that Eve eating some fruit that knew she eat caused the problem.

I never saw any information that says God created faulty brains.
Could you show me where you got that information?

Good example is yours.

You are the one that believes that God created man and did not just evolve.

I don't understand you. Do you believe there is mental illness? Do you believe mental illness is caused by a malfunctioning brain? If either are yes then God did not create perfection as something intelligent would do.

Where do you think cancer came from since you believe that God crested life and all life has cancer? Why did your god create cancer? You seem afraid to discuss the issues about a non perfect man that a god would create.

You have no answers therefore your god does not exist.

You cannot respond with reason why your God created virus and what use are they to mankind?

You failed to tell use the use of Black Holes in the perfectly designed universe.

You don't much about your god do you? Maybe your should study your god and come up with reason for all the imperfect stuff it created according to you.

You failed to address the bad back (spine) that your god put in man that sure looks like an animal spine meant for fore leg animals.


You ask other to explain, but you are incapable of explaining your gods actions.

and while we are at it...........wisdom teeth that become impacted because the jaw bone is too small for the teeth.............and why our sinus cavities are still designed to drain properly if we were on 4 legs instead of 2 causes lots of sinus allergy problems...........

and why there are 10,000s of bad bacteria in the gut that cause flatulence.......so am I to believe everything in nature that is designed and falls short of perfect is the result of the fall of man with original sin from that garden story? ........so then farting the result of the fall of man too?

Hey look at it from the standpoint of the bad bacteria in the gut, viruses and weeds (Bible says weeds appeared in the garden after sin). They are perfectly designed for their existence but conflict in ruining the perfect design of the hosts or areas they infect.........

Besides weeds are of tremendous value in the balance of the soil/nitrogen ecosystem....just because they are of no value to most humans doesn't mean they are not of value to our ecosystem and ultimately to all soil/plant life to sustain human life......

What a mess this Student guy believes!

For goodness sake wake up and deal with reality as it is Student not what you need to fit your conclusions before you know what you are dealing with!

While most of what you say is true, the wisdom tooth example is not. Room in the jaw is lacking because of cleaner food and lack of tooth wear, not shrinking of the jaw.

[PghPanther]

There was a guy, who once said to me, "Men build computers, even super computers, but which is greater, the computer, or the brain that built it?
And I thought that was so reasonable.
Where would computers be, if man had no brain?

Acutely today computers are designing computers.

So, why did your god design faulty brains? Why didn't your god make brains perfect?

Don't respond that Eve eating some fruit that knew she eat caused the problem.

I never saw any information that says God created faulty brains.
Could you show me where you got that information?

Good example is yours.

You are the one that believes that God created man and did not just evolve.

I don't understand you. Do you believe there is mental illness? Do you believe mental illness is caused by a malfunctioning brain? If either are yes then God did not create perfection as something intelligent would do.

Where do you think cancer came from since you believe that God crested life and all life has cancer? Why did your god create cancer? You seem afraid to discuss the issues about a non perfect man that a god would create.

You have no answers therefore your god does not exist.

You cannot respond with reason why your God created virus and what use are they to mankind?

You failed to tell use the use of Black Holes in the perfectly designed universe.

You don't much about your god do you? Maybe your should study your god and come up with reason for all the imperfect stuff it created according to you.

You failed to address the bad back (spine) that your god put in man that sure looks like an animal spine meant for fore leg animals.


You ask other to explain, but you are incapable of explaining your gods actions.

and while we are at it...........wisdom teeth that become impacted because the jaw bone is too small for the teeth.............and why our sinus cavities are still designed to drain properly if we were on 4 legs instead of 2 causes lots of sinus allergy problems...........

and why there are 10,000s of bad bacteria in the gut that cause flatulence.......so am I to believe everything in nature that is designed and falls short of perfect is the result of the fall of man with original sin from that garden story? ........so then farting the result of the fall of man too?

Hey look at it from the standpoint of the bad bacteria in the gut, viruses and weeds (Bible says weeds appeared in the garden after sin). They are perfectly designed for their existence but conflict in ruining the perfect design of the hosts or areas they infect.........

Besides weeds are of tremendous value in the balance of the soil/nitrogen ecosystem....just because they are of no value to most humans doesn't mean they are not of value to our ecosystem and ultimately to all soil/plant life to sustain human life......

What a mess this Student guy believes!

For goodness sake wake up and deal with reality as it is Student not what you need to fit your conclusions before you know what you are dealing with!

While most of what you say is true, the wisdom tooth example is not. Room in the jaw is lacking because of cleaner food and lack of tooth wear, not shrinking of the jaw.

Correct, I didn't mean to imply size but you are spot on.....