Given the nature of reproduction and of natural selection isn't evolution inescapable?
How can evolution not happen?
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Re: Evolution
Post #292[Replying to post 288 by Nilloc James]
Do you mean observation limited too what man can see, like the earth is flat because that is how it was once seen?
Do you mean observation limited too what man can see, like the earth is flat because that is how it was once seen?
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Re: Evolution
Post #293At least you now seem to accept that humans are a member of the great ape family. Progress... slow, but progress non the less.arian wrote:Never could happen, .. only in fairytales.
Non humans, .. or animals remain animals after their own kind. I mean, .. have you ever heard of a group of monkeys speak Elephant-ish? Exactly. Because animals don't talk to other species, so no matter how many billions of years pass, the monkey will chatter monkey and the zebras will keep talking zebra. As for us humans, we can imitate all the animal voices within minutes, we don't have to wait many succeeding generations.
Koko (born July 4, 1971) is a female gorilla who, according to Francine "Penny" Patterson, is able to understand more than 1,000 signs based on American Sign Language,[2] and understand approximately 2,000 words of spoken English.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koko_(gorilla)
Next, we need to get you to understand that airplanes are not self replicating, so comparing something not self replicating to something that is, is nonsensical.
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Re: Evolution
Post #294We all need to realize that we are dealing with 1 or 2 individuals that discount scientists that disagree with their chosen religion. Not because of reason, logic or evidence, but because they must in order to continue to hold the beliefs that they do.Nilloc James wrote:Implicit in this post is a misrepresentation of theory.arian wrote:That's just it my friend, these are NOT scientists but pose as scientists. I do not consider Evolutionists and Big-bang theorists as scientists. In science, observing a fossil is observing a fossil. Conclusion: "We have a fossil."jamesjah wrote: [Replying to post 281 by arian]
Scientists have not yet learned enough to realise how foolish their reasoning is now have they?
But for the science impostors, .. these Evolutionists, after observing a fossil they'll write thousands of billion year old un-observed fairytales about it, and force it on the population as part of science, .. don't you agree? We have to keep science and tribal religious fairytales separate, otherwise we end up being trapped in their religious doctrines.
God bless you Jamesjoh!
Evolution (as a theory) explains observations. Like all theories it is not directly proven.
The strength of a theory is its ability to explain facts efficiently and directly. Evolution has great explanatory power and requires very few assumptions.
I would not be hopeful that explaining what a theory really is will have any impact, but perhaps there are other readers that will understand.
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
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Post #295
Which dreamed up stories are you referring to?jamesjah wrote: Are the stories dreamed up by many about evolution, an attack on the one who created the complex creatures that we see, who can reproduce themselves with out the aid of evolution or science?
Why do you consider them dreamed up?
And a question to myself:
Self... do I know what a rhetorical question is?
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
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Re: Evolution
Post #297Are you criticizing science for improving its theories as new facts emerge?jamesjah wrote: [Replying to post 288 by Nilloc James]
Do you mean observation limited too what man can see, like the earth is flat because that is how it was once seen?
Re: Evolution
Post #298[Replying to Nilloc James]
Yep Nilloc James I am, we now have a round earth which hangs upon nothing, which God word the bible informed us about over three thousand years ago did it not?
Job 26:7
He is stretching out the north over the empty place, Hanging the earth upon nothing;
Isaiah 40:21-23
Do YOU people not know? Do you not hear? Has it not been told to you from the outset? Have you not applied understanding from the foundations of the earth?
 There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth,
the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gauze, who spreads them out like a tent in which to dwell,
the One who is reducing high officials to nothing, who has made the very judges of the earth as a mere unreality.
Yep Nilloc James I am, we now have a round earth which hangs upon nothing, which God word the bible informed us about over three thousand years ago did it not?
Job 26:7
He is stretching out the north over the empty place, Hanging the earth upon nothing;
Isaiah 40:21-23
Do YOU people not know? Do you not hear? Has it not been told to you from the outset? Have you not applied understanding from the foundations of the earth?
 There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth,
the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gauze, who spreads them out like a tent in which to dwell,
the One who is reducing high officials to nothing, who has made the very judges of the earth as a mere unreality.
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Re: Evolution
Post #299jamesjah wrote: [Replying to Nilloc James]
Yep Nilloc James I am, we now have a round earth which hangs upon nothing, which God word the bible informed us about over three thousand years ago did it not?
Job 26:7
He is stretching out the north over the empty place, Hanging the earth upon nothing;
Isaiah 40:21-23
Do YOU people not know? Do you not hear? Has it not been told to you from the outset? Have you not applied understanding from the foundations of the earth?
 There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth,
the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gauze, who spreads them out like a tent in which to dwell,
the One who is reducing high officials to nothing, who has made the very judges of the earth as a mere unreality.
These passages that you quote show the belief in a flat earth using the Babylonian cosmology. A circle is two dimensional, and flat. The 'foundation of the earth' is taken from the Babylonian cosmology where the earth is a bowl, with a firmament above it.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�
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Post #300
[Replying to post 293 by Clownboat]
The biggest dreamed up story that we are still being bombarded with is the amount of age that is supposed to be covered by the fossil bones recently discovered, figures picked out of the air with no attachment to reality.
It does take time for many dream weavers to catch up with reality and the latest discoveries that the earth has been uninhabitable for most of its existence and has only recently cooled enough to support life as we know it. Which does mean the gullible public are still being seduced by the dream weavers, are they not?
Then most love to have it that way do they not?
The biggest dreamed up story that we are still being bombarded with is the amount of age that is supposed to be covered by the fossil bones recently discovered, figures picked out of the air with no attachment to reality.
It does take time for many dream weavers to catch up with reality and the latest discoveries that the earth has been uninhabitable for most of its existence and has only recently cooled enough to support life as we know it. Which does mean the gullible public are still being seduced by the dream weavers, are they not?
Then most love to have it that way do they not?
