What is nothing?

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There seems to be a lot of confusion about the meaning of "nothing".

I posit there can only be one true meaning of nothing; it's that which doesn't exist, never existed, can't exist, and never will exist, in any universe or other state of existence, period. It's no thing.

Debate for or against this.

Here's a good debate on nothing. As much as I like Lawrence M. Krauss, I think he confuses people with his sloppy use of the term. By his own admission (insistence even) there are two other definitions of nothing.

[Deidre32]

I'm in agreement with you...perhaps, I'm not explaining myself correctly.

Sorry and please forgive me because it is I who did not understand you correctly. I re-read your opinion and I see what you mean. Thank you, and please do share some more?

Haha you are forgiven
No worries at all.

I will post more later after work.

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[Replying to post 37 by arian]

Wow, how can you possibly be serious?

Science has known about gravity, mass, and energy since before we were born.

You didn't discover them, but of course, this won't stop you from pretending you did.

I said I discovered 'nothing', and I can prove it, .. and yes I'm serious.

I really wish you would respond to my last post to DanieltheDragon, I'm really, really looking forward for your opinion on it also?

You said nothing equals energy which equals mass times light speed squared, and also that nothing is proven by gravitational attraction between a bowling ball and the Earth, and all the matter, fields, and energy in between.

e=mc2 is calculated as follows:

Light speed squared times mass equals energy. Actual numbers are represented here.

Saying that light speed squared times mass equals energy equals nothing doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Also, bracket and decimal symbols already have significant meanings in math, as any 6th Grader should be able to confirm.

You said gravity is nothing because we can't feel it. The only conclusion I can draw from your posts is that you don't demonstrate a basic understanding of science and math.

Here's a suggestion for another "scientific experiment" of yours: Climb to the top of your house and jump. Report back to us what you felt.

[Deidre32]

Arian, I know what you're trying to get at but I'm not sure how you could demonstrate to us here that you have discovered "nothing," in the sense were discussing it.

[arian]

"Gravity is simply the method by which the earth is pulling the bowling ball."

And this relates to me being able to prove the existence of 'nothing' how?

You tell me. You're the one who brought up gravity.

Maybe I don't understand what you meant by method? Sorry.

Would this be like: "Time is the 'method' the universe inflated/evolved from a quantum string to the enormity and complexity we observe today" ??

Thank you FarWonderer for the rest of your very informative responses, I have learned a great deal. I have also learned how 'not to' randomly ramble.

FarWanderer.

I was saying that the part about your son and getting work had nothing to do with our conversation, and was more appropriate for the Random Ramblings subforum instead.

Yes, I do regret mentioning it. I will try not to ever do that again. I wouldn't want to waste time when we have all this good stuff coming in on nothing. Thank you.

[arian]

I said I discovered 'nothing', and I can prove it, .. and yes I'm serious.

Claiming that you can prove something and actually proving it are two vastly different things.

Yes, it sure is. My sentiments exactly when it comes to the claims of Big-bang Evolution.

Nothing has a temperature of absolute zero.
Nothing travels faster than light, but I cannot get anyone to verify how much faster.
Nothing has been shown to cure cancer and yet a ham sandwich is better than nothing.

Yes, you could say that about the 'old' nothing that has been erroneously defined all this time. That nothing was not really nothing, as many physicists admitted. But now with my discovery of 'absolute nothing', (have to differentiate from the old nothing), it has no temperature. It doesn't interfere with light, nor can anything interfere with it. Light can go right through it as if it wasn't even there, yet I can prove it is there. I have created a division between something, and 'nothing', and as long as this division holds, the 'nothing' maintains its integrity (I hope that's the right word?) and the entire mass/power/speed or whatever is in existence could not change that.

I have now slept on me giving a symbol for nothing as (.) and that it is equal to Einstein's E=mc2 or whatever new equation they come up in the future to explain the new mass-energy equivalence of the universe. So (.) is also a 'constant'.

I would be very interested in your discovery of nothing. However, I fear that once discovered, it became no longer nothing.

ha, ha, .. I know what you mean, but seriously my friend, that's actually a good comment only, exactly the opposite;

It is with the discovery of true, or as I call it; 'absolute nothing' that we can now say: "Nothing is truly nothing!"

Before it's discovery (by me, the Village Idiot) no one really could define 'nothing', or even comprehend it. Some brilliant minds, and modern day Professors suggest it is a stupid concept to even think/talk about 'nothing' which again proves they don't, and never have understood 'nothing'.

WARNING (and I am honestly not trying to hype this up, this is no BS)
I have been thinking to explain 'nothing' from a more philosophical POV, but realized that if someone misunderstood me, and thought about my examples the 'old-way' (like you just did above), or as a 'state of being', or as a 'state of non-existence' it could do some serious damage to our mental state like brain damage.
So I would highly caution anyone trying to imagine nothing from the brains perspective as it is defined today. For the brain, my experiment with it's logical scientific explanation would be the safest way.

I honestly went there, I kid you not, .. to the edge when I tried to define nothing through some philosophical example anyone should be able to understand. It felt something like when I first looked straight down the Grand Canyon (thanks to my crazy-fun loving Nephew who said; "Close your eyes uncle, .. OK, now open it")

Only there at the Grand Canyons I eventually seen the bottom, and I grabbed unto the rails! But here trying to imagine nothing with your brain, I warn you, because you will not have anything to grab unto, and there is no bottom!!!

[arian]

[Replying to post 37 by arian]

Wow, how can you possibly be serious?

Science has known about gravity, mass, and energy since before we were born.

You didn't discover them, but of course, this won't stop you from pretending you did.

I said I discovered 'nothing', and I can prove it, .. and yes I'm serious.

I really wish you would respond to my last post to DanieltheDragon, I'm really, really looking forward for your opinion on it also?

You said nothing equals energy which equals mass times light speed squared,

I have for the past 2,000 some posts admitted that I had very, VERY little schooling, so I figure things out with my mind. So maybe my example as to "equal" is wrong. Here is what I mean (as I explain to McCulloch)

The 'integrity' (the state of being whole and undivided) of 'nothing' is = (the same) as the integrity of the entire universe, or the Mass Energy equivalence thereof E=mc2. Does that make more sense?

So, .. just as you couldn't deny/reduce/add the existence of the Mass/Energy of the entire universe (except by your big-bang fairytales where you reduce the universe down to 'almost' nothing), Equally you can't reduce/deny/add to the existence of 'nothing'. So 'nothing' is equal to (=) the entire universe.
Integrity, not that nothing is 'like' the universe in it's nature.

and also that nothing is proven by gravitational attraction between a bowling ball and the Earth, and all the matter, fields, and energy in between.

I'm sure you won't get a WARNING for continuously trying to annoy me!?

How many times have I explained that; "Just as Newton explained the existence of gravity, I can explain the existence of 'nothing'" Read my posts. Oh never mind.. why am I even bothering with someone who believes that the Big-bang Evolution theory is a fact?

e=mc2 is calculated as follows:

Light speed squared times mass equals energy. Actual numbers are represented here.

I can only see ONE number represented, the squared (2), the rest is letters. But since you mentioned it, where did c2 come from since c represents the speed of light which NOTHING in this universe could pass, another word 186,282 m/p/s period, not one inch more.

186,282 m/p/s ^2, even with my 4th grade education of math, is a bit faster than 186,282 m/p/s. I think it's like 186,282 Times faster!?

Saying that light speed squared times mass equals energy equals nothing doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Neither does squaring 'C', but hey, if you say my GPS wouldn't work otherwise, who cares about the rules of physics, right? Whatever it takes to make that GPS work! Only if the GPS Satellites squared C (meaning they are using E=mc2) when they are getting their signals from the atomic-clocks off the other satellites, the GPS should be instructing me to go "Back to the Future", NOT within a feet of the location that it actually sends me to!? Remember 'time dilation'? It was invented by the same guy who said "nothing exceeds the speed of light 'C'"

Also, bracket and decimal symbols already have significant meanings in math, as any 6th Grader should be able to confirm.

You mean like; + =

I guess I didn't get to 6th grade to learn 'emoticon' mathematics.

You said gravity is nothing because we can't feel it. The only conclusion I can draw from your posts is that you don't demonstrate a basic understanding of science and math.

There you go again, and I know moderators are watching, only not you but me, or it seems like.

I said 'gravity is like nothing, you can't feel, smell, taste either one'. Wait a minute, is this Clownboat? I haven't seen Clownboat around in a while, usually you guys have him taunt me like this!?!?

Here's a suggestion for another "scientific experiment" of yours: Climb to the top of your house and jump. Report back to us what you felt.

This IS Clownboat, it just has to be! come on you guys, stop clowning around! Sheesh, .. jump off my house + = a little more 'math' for you.

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The letters represent numerical values in algebra. c represents light's speed. This is how we can square it. 300000 meters per second squared is 90000000000.

http://www.wikihow.com/Understand-E%3Dmc2

I can't believe anyone says they can't feel gravity. What are you sitting on right now? Don't you feel pressure on your butt from your weight pressing down? Don't you have to hold your arms up to type? If you jump, don't you fall back down?

Do you float around?

[arian]

Arian, I know what you're trying to get at but I'm not sure how you could demonstrate to us here that you have discovered "nothing," in the sense were discussing it.

I have demonstrated it many times before, only to be made fun of my demonstration.

It is a very simple experiment, almost as simple as dropping an apple to demonstrate gravity.

Now watch some of the responses to what I just said, like: "So dropping an apple is 'nothing'?" lol

Since I am not allowed to post on YouTube (all my video programs have been erased, corrupted) nor am I allowed to use my expansive Word-Office program, or my entire collection of Bible Study programs that I have been saving up for most of my life and finally was able to afford (deleted/corrupted that too) and if I reload it, they send a virus to corrupt my entire computer. And as far as I can tell, it is done by my 'Virus Protection' program, through their updates. Actually they make it pretty obvious. Oh yea, and I can't print either, too expensive since they send a command to my printers to prime themselves dry. So you see, the only thing I have left is this debate, and as you can see, they keep asking for proof, but ignore it every time I post it.

If you are really interested, PM me, and it would be my pleasure to explain the experiment you can do for yourself at home. I would love to have an honest scientific opinion on it. Not that you have to be a scientist with a degree or something, I'm not.

You will have to put some things you have been taught on a back burner for the time being, until you get the mental picture of nothing anyways. Then amazing things will start coming to life. Doors to greater knowledge will be opened to you.

I believe my persecutions have something to do with my definition of God, which is outside of religious indoctrination. I guess the only gods that are tolerated are Deities, as defined by mediums/diviners outside the Bible.

PM me if you are interested, ..

God bless.

[arian]

The letters represent numerical values in algebra. c represents light's speed. This is how we can square it. 300000 meters per second squared is 90000000000.

OR, .. something round about in that area, it's not really that important since 'nothing will, nor is able to travel faster', right? But the letter 'C' works the best since light can travel anywhere from 30 miles per hour, to 300,000 meters per second. OR you can use 299 792 458 meters / s, or you can square it,
C^2 is C X C= CCCccccc.c. GPS Satellites can use C the most accurately since C is synchronized with the atomic clocks, .. lol

http://www.wikihow.com/Understand-E%3Dmc2

I can't believe anyone says they can't feel gravity. What are you sitting on right now? Don't you feel pressure on your butt from your weight pressing down? Don't you have to hold your arms up to type? If you jump, don't you fall back down?

Do you float around?

You can feel gravity, .. really? When I hold a bowling ball over your hand, do you feel the gravity under the bowling ball? Does it make your hair on your hand stand up?

Why won't you answer my previous questions about driving into a tunnel under a huge mountain? Mass has gravity you said, so where is the gravity of the mass of an entire mountain?

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Wow, how do they do that? I don't see Yoda there either? Amazing, thank you. But wait, isn't this Photoshopped? Yep, the picture is just upside down her hair is hanging towards the earth, and someone is pouring the fruit upon her .. I knew it!

You see, I can be like you too.

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[Replying to post 59 by arian]

Huh?

I'm having a difficult time taking your posts seriously. The things you say are bizarre.