Allah made it look like Jesus died, but he let someone die in Jesus' place to save Jesus according to the Quran. Isn't that a form of substitutionary death? This is something some Muslims tell me God doesn't do; so, I am confused about this.
The Quran states that the unbelievers plot and scheme with deception but Allah is the "best of deceivers" Some English translations state "the best of planners," in context, however, Allah does best what the unbelievers were doing which was deceiving; so, is Allah to blame for starting Christianity or did he know his deception would cause the birth of a religion that Islam could not comprehend or overcome? For instance, Christianity, IMO, has always been bigger, better and stronger than Islam and always will be!
Did Allah start Christianty?
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Unfortunately, you missed the point. Islam's god is not your Creator that you are being slaves for. It will profit you nothing in the end and in this life it is bondaged to the god of forces, deception, hate, and death! This god is leading people by the billions to the slaughter. This is so sad, because I don't seem to be helping you out. I might be causing you to dig in your heels. I'll pray for you.HaLi8993 wrote: @ Burninglight
QUOTE: "What are you saying? This is a gross misconception on Muslims part about Christianity, Christians are free to choose, but not free of the consequences of their choices. We are free only to do what is right as I mentioned, Muslims are slaves of a god of deception the father of all lies. Satan is the author of confusion and he is the ultimate of deception for he is the true "Best of deceivers" Look how well he has deceived Muslims, Mormons and unbelievers.Â
Christians are forgiven; that is not a license to sin. God is not mocked. A man reaps what he sows. All have sinned. The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is what you need to have eternal life, do you know what the gift of God is?"
ANSWER: We are happy to be slaves of God. What a beautiful privilege, for all that my Lord has done for me why wouldn't I want to worship him.
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QUOTE: "Unfortunately, you missed the point. Islam's god is not your Creator that you are being slaves for. It will profit you nothing in the end and in this life it is bondaged to the god of forces, deception, hate, and death! This god is leading people by the billions to the slaughter. This is so sad, because I don't seem to be helping you out. I might be causing you to dig in your heels. I'll pray for you."
ANSWER: Don't you believe there is only One God?, so God is not our Creator? It has already profited me in this life and God willing it will profit me in the next, Burninglight you need to help yourself, I'm fine I know what the truth is, Jesus was a Prophet (peace be upon him) like all the other Prophets of God he did not die for your sins, Nor is Jesus a God, the only thing I see as deceptive is the new testament that has been corrupted leading many astray. If you love Jesus (peace be upon him) then follow what he instructed you to follow of the truth.
QUOTE: "Unfortunately, you missed the point. Islam's god is not your Creator that you are being slaves for. It will profit you nothing in the end and in this life it is bondaged to the god of forces, deception, hate, and death! This god is leading people by the billions to the slaughter. This is so sad, because I don't seem to be helping you out. I might be causing you to dig in your heels. I'll pray for you."
ANSWER: Don't you believe there is only One God?, so God is not our Creator? It has already profited me in this life and God willing it will profit me in the next, Burninglight you need to help yourself, I'm fine I know what the truth is, Jesus was a Prophet (peace be upon him) like all the other Prophets of God he did not die for your sins, Nor is Jesus a God, the only thing I see as deceptive is the new testament that has been corrupted leading many astray. If you love Jesus (peace be upon him) then follow what he instructed you to follow of the truth.
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That only shows the ignorance of the indoctrinated regarding reality and how other people live without that ignorance.HaLi8993 wrote:
ANSWER: You cannot prove it to me regarless cause it does not exist, the only person I see denying proof is you and others when shown it, the only thing that has been exposed are the misconceptions about Islam and the lengths people will go to in order to discredit Islam. Islam has already warned us agiainst such behavior and attitutes. Most of the people on the forum are living a life of fairytales thinking they can cruze through life having no responsibilities, exerting no efforts in practicing God's religion and using Jesus (peace be upon him) as a escape goat, saying he died for you sins, so let's commit every sin in the world. Basically eat, sleep and play, do what ever you want when ever you want. They will enjoy this life but would have lost the life of the hereafter.
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Sorry, but you cannot claim to know what angels will do or not do, that is just intellectual dishonesty.HaLi8993 wrote:
ANSWER: Angel Gabriel along with all the Angels have no option but to obey the command of God which is what Angel Gabriel did, and who said this Angel was doing something wrong? Angels do not commit sin yes but there are Angels that will carry out punishments in Hellfire that God will command that is far greater than grabbing someone and squeezing them.
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This is another misconception you have. Christians do not believe Jesus is a god. Nowhere does the Bible state this. Jehovah Witnesses believe Jesus is a god. Yes, I believe there is one God our Creator. Islam's god is not Him! If you say the NT is corrupted, when, where, why and how did it happen. Muhammad never said it was corrupted. Why do you?HaLi8993 wrote: @ Burninglight
QUOTE: "Unfortunately, you missed the point. Islam's god is not your Creator that you are being slaves for. It will profit you nothing in the end and in this life it is bondaged to the god of forces, deception, hate, and death! This god is leading people by the billions to the slaughter. This is so sad, because I don't seem to be helping you out. I might be causing you to dig in your heels. I'll pray for you."
ANSWER: Don't you believe there is only One God?, so God is not our Creator? It has already profited me in this life and God willing it will profit me in the next, Burninglight you need to help yourself, I'm fine I know what the truth is, Jesus was a Prophet (peace be upon him) like all the other Prophets of God he did not die for your sins, Nor is Jesus a God, the only thing I see as deceptive is the new testament that has been corrupted leading many astray. If you love Jesus (peace be upon him) then follow what he instructed you to follow of the truth.
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Personally, I do not believe in an external god. I do believe in natural selection and evolution. But, I am an agnostic so I admit that I do not know for sure and leave it at that.[quote="HaLi8993
ANSWER: Don't you believe there is only One God?, so God is not our Creator?
The sooner you stop asking your god what He can do for you (profit) and start asking what You can do for Him, the sooner you will become enlightened.It has already profited me in this life and God willing it will profit me in the next,
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I agree:Ankhhape wrote:Personally, I do not believe in an external god. I do believe in natural selection and evolution. But, I am an agnostic so I admit that I do not know for sure and leave it at that.[quote="HaLi8993
ANSWER: Don't you believe there is only One God?, so God is not our Creator?
The sooner you stop asking your god what He can do for you (profit) and start asking what You can do for Him, the sooner you will become enlightened.It has already profited me in this life and God willing it will profit me in the next,
Ask not what god can do for you ask what you can do for god
Post #248
@ A Troubled Man
QUOTE: Â "That only shows the ignorance of the indoctrinated regarding reality and how other people live without that ignorance"
ANSWER: God All-Mighty makes it very clear in the Quran what reality is. Those who reject it will never know.
QUOTE: "Sorry, but you cannot claim to know what angels will do or not do, that is just intellectual dishonesty"
ANSWER: Your right we don't know, God tells us what they will do, I didn't take this from my own intellect.
QUOTE: Â "That only shows the ignorance of the indoctrinated regarding reality and how other people live without that ignorance"
ANSWER: God All-Mighty makes it very clear in the Quran what reality is. Those who reject it will never know.
QUOTE: "Sorry, but you cannot claim to know what angels will do or not do, that is just intellectual dishonesty"
ANSWER: Your right we don't know, God tells us what they will do, I didn't take this from my own intellect.
Post #249
@ Burninglight
QUOTE: "This is another misconception you have. Christians do not believe Jesus is a god. Nowhere does the Bible state this. Jehovah Witnesses believe Jesus is a god. Yes, I believe there is one God our Creator. Islam's god is not Him! If you say the NT is corrupted, when, where, why and how did it happen. Muhammad never said it was corrupted. Why do you?"
ANSWER: Jesus is not God???? So how do you explain the trinity? Why do you think Muslims have a different God, there is only One God, you have already asked this question in the past why do you ask it again? What do you mean Muhammad never said it was corrupted?
God Almighty declares that Christianity is no more than a man-made conjecture. Â And conjecture is forbidden in the Quran:
"And they say: "What is there but our life in this world? We shall die and we live, and nothing but time can destroy us." But of that they have no knowledge: they merely conjecture"
(The Noble Quran, 45:24)
  "Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.  Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.  Â
(The Noble Quran, 2:77-79)"
"O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, 'If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!' If any one's trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment. Â
(The Noble Quran, 5:41)"
"But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for God loveth those who are kind.Â
(The Noble Quran, 5:13)"
"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)! Â Come to common terms as between us and you: Â That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.' Â If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).' Â Â
(The Noble Quran, 3:64)"
Narrated Ubaidullah: Â "Ibn 'Abbas said, "Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!" Â
(Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)"
QUOTE: "This is another misconception you have. Christians do not believe Jesus is a god. Nowhere does the Bible state this. Jehovah Witnesses believe Jesus is a god. Yes, I believe there is one God our Creator. Islam's god is not Him! If you say the NT is corrupted, when, where, why and how did it happen. Muhammad never said it was corrupted. Why do you?"
ANSWER: Jesus is not God???? So how do you explain the trinity? Why do you think Muslims have a different God, there is only One God, you have already asked this question in the past why do you ask it again? What do you mean Muhammad never said it was corrupted?
God Almighty declares that Christianity is no more than a man-made conjecture. Â And conjecture is forbidden in the Quran:
"And they say: "What is there but our life in this world? We shall die and we live, and nothing but time can destroy us." But of that they have no knowledge: they merely conjecture"
(The Noble Quran, 45:24)
  "Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.  Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.  Â
(The Noble Quran, 2:77-79)"
"O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, 'If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!' If any one's trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment. Â
(The Noble Quran, 5:41)"
"But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for God loveth those who are kind.Â
(The Noble Quran, 5:13)"
"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)! Â Come to common terms as between us and you: Â That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.' Â If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).' Â Â
(The Noble Quran, 3:64)"
Narrated Ubaidullah: Â "Ibn 'Abbas said, "Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!" Â
(Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)"
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@ Ankhhape
QUOTE: "Personally, I do not believe in an external god. I do believe in natural selection and evolution. But, I am an agnostic so I admit that I do not know for sure and leave it at that"
ANSWER: Can you please explain to me your understanding of natural selection and evolution.
QUOTE: "The sooner you stop asking your god what He can do for you (profit) and start asking what You can do for Him, the sooner you will become enlightened"
ANSWER: I don't understand your advising me to start asking God what I can do for Him, isn't that what we are doing? He tells us how to worship him and we submit to his commands, I thought you don't believe in God?
QUOTE: "Personally, I do not believe in an external god. I do believe in natural selection and evolution. But, I am an agnostic so I admit that I do not know for sure and leave it at that"
ANSWER: Can you please explain to me your understanding of natural selection and evolution.
QUOTE: "The sooner you stop asking your god what He can do for you (profit) and start asking what You can do for Him, the sooner you will become enlightened"
ANSWER: I don't understand your advising me to start asking God what I can do for Him, isn't that what we are doing? He tells us how to worship him and we submit to his commands, I thought you don't believe in God?
