Allah made it look like Jesus died, but he let someone die in Jesus' place to save Jesus according to the Quran. Isn't that a form of substitutionary death? This is something some Muslims tell me God doesn't do; so, I am confused about this.
The Quran states that the unbelievers plot and scheme with deception but Allah is the "best of deceivers" Some English translations state "the best of planners," in context, however, Allah does best what the unbelievers were doing which was deceiving; so, is Allah to blame for starting Christianity or did he know his deception would cause the birth of a religion that Islam could not comprehend or overcome? For instance, Christianity, IMO, has always been bigger, better and stronger than Islam and always will be!
Did Allah start Christianty?
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QUOTE: "It may be possible that children are born believing in God, but they are not born as Muslims that is what you are implying. If Islam was the true religion, it would have been in effect a 2 thousand years before Muhammad was born.Â
What references to you want concerning God saying Jesus is His beloved son? Do you want me to give you the Bible reference? We agree there is a hereafter, God will certainly judge between Islam and Christianity. I am looking froward to seeing Jesus receive the reward of His suffering"
ANSWER: Every person is born a Muslim because  he believes in God until he reaches the age of accountability (puberty) and he chooses his own direction in life. All the Prophets and Messengers (peace be upon them all) were Muslim including Jesus (peace be upon him). Bible references please....
QUOTE: "It may be possible that children are born believing in God, but they are not born as Muslims that is what you are implying. If Islam was the true religion, it would have been in effect a 2 thousand years before Muhammad was born.Â
What references to you want concerning God saying Jesus is His beloved son? Do you want me to give you the Bible reference? We agree there is a hereafter, God will certainly judge between Islam and Christianity. I am looking froward to seeing Jesus receive the reward of His suffering"
ANSWER: Every person is born a Muslim because  he believes in God until he reaches the age of accountability (puberty) and he chooses his own direction in life. All the Prophets and Messengers (peace be upon them all) were Muslim including Jesus (peace be upon him). Bible references please....
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The purpose of any life forms as far as evolution is concerned is to evolve.HaLi8993 wrote: ANSWER: If a child is able to come to the conclusion that everything is created for a purpose then what is the purpose of humans according to evolution??
And, what purpose does Islam have in life other than to make good people do bad things?Islam knows its purpose in life.
No, I'm not interested in the lies of Muhammad, I'm interested in how you personally know God exists?ANSWER: Have you read my thread " why God created us"
Quran: 2:118
Those who do not know say, "Why does Allah not speak to us or there come to us a sign?" Thus spoke those before them like their words. Their hearts resemble each other. We have shown clearly the signs to a people who are certain [in faith].
Quran: 2:164
Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and earth, and the alternation of the night and the day, and the [great] ships which sail through the sea with that which benefits people, and what Allah has sent down from the heavens of rain, giving life thereby to the earth after its lifelessness and dispersing therein every [kind of] moving creature, and [His] directing of the winds and the clouds controlled between the heaven and the earth are signs for a people who use reason.
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Post #294
LOL! Can the propaganda get any sillier?HaLi8993 wrote:
ANSWER: Every person is born a Muslim because  he believes in God until he reaches the age of accountability (puberty) and he chooses his own direction in life. All the Prophets and Messengers (peace be upon them all) were Muslim including Jesus (peace be upon him). Bible references please....
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The sad thing is she is serious that everyone is born Muslim. Children are inherently selfish they don't care if you have to unreasonable go out of your way to get what they want. They have to learn obedience, patience and long suffering, by the struggles in life they suffer. Even Jesus learned obedience through the things He sufferedA Troubled Man wrote:LOL! Can the propaganda get any sillier?HaLi8993 wrote:
ANSWER: Every person is born a Muslim because  he believes in God until he reaches the age of accountability (puberty) and he chooses his own direction in life. All the Prophets and Messengers (peace be upon them all) were Muslim including Jesus (peace be upon him). Bible references please....
Post #297
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QUOTE: "Â The purpose of any life forms as far as evolution is concerned is to evolve."
ANSWER: And you guys are calling me silly?, then what? Doesn't seem like we are evolving anymore.Â
QUOTE: "And, what purpose does Islam have in life other than to make good people do bad things?"
ANSWER: The purpose of life is to worship our Lord.
QUOTE: "No, I'm not interested in the lies of Muhammad, I'm interested in how you personally know God exists?
ANSWER: Apart from the Quran and Sunnah, I know God exists because as a child growing up into my teenage years I would always contemplate on the purpose of life and our existence, when I looked around seeing the stars in the sky, the moon, the sun, the ocean I could not deny that this could not have been created by chance a higher power was responsible for all this, the controller of the universe could not have been man, furthermore in all my difficulties faced growing up as a child I would always ask for Gods help and He would deliver me or make a way out for me from my difficulties, hence I was grateful and decided to sincerely dedicate my time reading about religion one thing lead to another and now there is no other way of life in the world that has all the answers other than Islam.
So how do you personally think God doesn't exist??
QUOTE: "Â The purpose of any life forms as far as evolution is concerned is to evolve."
ANSWER: And you guys are calling me silly?, then what? Doesn't seem like we are evolving anymore.Â
QUOTE: "And, what purpose does Islam have in life other than to make good people do bad things?"
ANSWER: The purpose of life is to worship our Lord.
QUOTE: "No, I'm not interested in the lies of Muhammad, I'm interested in how you personally know God exists?
ANSWER: Apart from the Quran and Sunnah, I know God exists because as a child growing up into my teenage years I would always contemplate on the purpose of life and our existence, when I looked around seeing the stars in the sky, the moon, the sun, the ocean I could not deny that this could not have been created by chance a higher power was responsible for all this, the controller of the universe could not have been man, furthermore in all my difficulties faced growing up as a child I would always ask for Gods help and He would deliver me or make a way out for me from my difficulties, hence I was grateful and decided to sincerely dedicate my time reading about religion one thing lead to another and now there is no other way of life in the world that has all the answers other than Islam.
So how do you personally think God doesn't exist??
Post #299
@ Burninglight
QUOTE: "The sad thing is she is serious that everyone is born Muslim. Children are inherently selfish they don't care if you have to unreasonable go out of your way to get what they want. They have to learn obedience, patience and long suffering, by the struggles in life they suffer. Even Jesus learned obedience through the things He suffered"
ANSWER: So what your saying is that children are not born believing in God? A Muslim child is taught in Islam not to be selfish but to love for your sister what you love for yourself, furthermore a Muslim child has to respect his/her parents and show them kindness and care especially once they reach old age, so a child that has an understanding about the teachings of Islam would not want his/her parents to go out of their way for anything rather the child is taught to go out of their way to make his parents happy instead.
QUOTE: "The sad thing is she is serious that everyone is born Muslim. Children are inherently selfish they don't care if you have to unreasonable go out of your way to get what they want. They have to learn obedience, patience and long suffering, by the struggles in life they suffer. Even Jesus learned obedience through the things He suffered"
ANSWER: So what your saying is that children are not born believing in God? A Muslim child is taught in Islam not to be selfish but to love for your sister what you love for yourself, furthermore a Muslim child has to respect his/her parents and show them kindness and care especially once they reach old age, so a child that has an understanding about the teachings of Islam would not want his/her parents to go out of their way for anything rather the child is taught to go out of their way to make his parents happy instead.
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So, you're saying Muslims discipline their infants?HaLi8993 wrote: @ Burninglight
QUOTE: "The sad thing is she is serious that everyone is born Muslim. Children are inherently selfish they don't care if you have to unreasonable go out of your way to get what they want. They have to learn obedience, patience and long suffering, by the struggles in life they suffer. Even Jesus learned obedience through the things He suffered"
ANSWER: So what your saying is that children are not born believing in God? A Muslim child is taught in Islam not to be selfish but to love for your sister what you love for yourself, furthermore a Muslim child has to respect his/her parents and show them kindness and care especially once they reach old age, so a child that has an understanding about the teachings of Islam would not want his/her parents to go out of their way for anything rather the child is taught to go out of their way to make his parents happy instead.
