Did Allah start Christianty?

[Burninglight]

Allah made it look like Jesus died, but he let someone die in Jesus' place to save Jesus according to the Quran. Isn't that a form of substitutionary death? This is something some Muslims tell me God doesn't do; so, I am confused about this.

The Quran states that the unbelievers plot and scheme with deception but Allah is the "best of deceivers" Some English translations state "the best of planners," in context, however, Allah does best what the unbelievers were doing which was deceiving; so, is Allah to blame for starting Christianity or did he know his deception would cause the birth of a religion that Islam could not comprehend or overcome? For instance, Christianity, IMO, has always been bigger, better and stronger than Islam and always will be!

[Burninglight]

For my purpose they are not two different premises, because I am talking about faith that trusts. Some people trust chairs or money more than they do God, but not me!

Yes, I understand believers are not aware of or deny what constitutes the differences in the two definitions.

I understand there is a difference, but I said in this particular example I meant no difference. Since I was giving the example, I get to call it what I want.
Don't make the mistake put all believers in the same box; they differ just like atheists differ from each other.

[HaLi8993]

@ A Troubled Man

QUOTE: "LOL! So essentially, your entire argument boils down to the usual nonsense spewed by believers... Goddunnit because God can do anything. 

So much for your argument.  

ANSWER: Why are you using an expression that people who believe in God use, I thought you are an Atheist. no matter how much you want to deny that God doesn't exist one way or another it is apparent He does, it is a naturally inbuilt in you.

QUOTE: "LOL! That's just religious dogma speaking. Your God has not been shown to create reality, science has not revealed your God in any way of having accomplished that, quite the contrary, in fact."

ANSWER: Why are you so heavy relying on science to prove the existence of God? When there were Prophets and Messengers that came with miracles.  

[A Troubled Man]

I understand there is a difference, but I said in this particular example I meant no difference. Since I was giving the example, I get to call it what I want.

Feel free to do so, that doesn't make it valid, though.

Don't make the mistake put all believers in the same box; they differ just like atheists differ from each other.

You mean, there are believers who DON'T believe in invisible sky daddies as reality?

[A Troubled Man]

... no matter how much you want to deny that God doesn't exist one way or another it is apparent He does, it is a naturally inbuilt in you.

We understand that is just religious dogma that has no basis in reality because if it were so "apparent" and "naturally built in" there would be no disagreements. And, we also know believers will tell any lie to support their beliefs.

ANSWER: Why are you so heavy relying on science to prove the existence of God? When there were Prophets and Messengers that came with miracles.  

LOL! Prophets and Messengers are liars and frauds, Muhammad being one of the more blatant of frauds, easily exposed as such.

Who in their wildest dreams would believe some guy went off to talk with angels in a cave all by himself and had an entire religion revealed to him? Only a complete gullible idiot would believe that.

[Burninglight]

I understand there is a difference, but I said in this particular example I meant no difference. Since I was giving the example, I get to call it what I want.

Feel free to do so, that doesn't make it valid, though.

Don't make the mistake put all believers in the same box; they differ just like atheists differ from each other.

You mean, there are believers who DON'T believe in invisible sky daddies as reality?

Thank you, I will feel free. It doesn't make it not valid either.
Listen, I'll just leave you be. You are doing much better of a job and more convincing with your argument against Islam and the Muslims.

[HaLi8993]

@ A Troubled Man

QUOTE: "We understand that is just religious dogma that has no basis in reality because if it were so "apparent" and "naturally built in" there would be no disagreements. And, we also know believers will tell any lie to support their beliefs"

ANSWER: Muslims don't lie especially not me, there are disagreements because you haven't got an open heart, you are simply refusing to understanding and denying anything that has the most slightest thing to do with Islam.

QUOTE: "LOL! Prophets and Messengers are liars and frauds, Muhammad being one of the more blatant of frauds, easily exposed as such. 

Who in their wildest dreams would believe some guy went off to talk with angels in a cave all by himself and had an entire religion revealed to him? Only a complete gullible idiot would believe that."

ANSWER: Yes, let's just deny that Prophets and Messengers were never existent and came with no miracles and no followers.

He would get revelations many times some being in front of others, you have no supporting evidence for your claims. 

[A Troubled Man]

Thank you, I will feel free. It doesn't make it not valid either.
Listen, I'll just leave you be. You are doing much better of a job and more convincing with your argument against Islam and the Muslims.

Sorry, if you are not convinced there are distinct definitions of words and that the combining of those distinct definitions as one is not valid.

[A Troubled Man]

ANSWER: Muslims don't lie especially not me, there are disagreements because you haven't got an open heart, you are simply refusing to understanding and denying anything that has the most slightest thing to do with Islam.

LOL! I watched a program called, "Losing Face" in which a plastic surgeon who originally was born in Pakistan returns home to help Muslim women who have been scarred by their husbands throwing acid in their faces or gasoline and lighting them on fire. Each and every one of those men lied about what they did and claimed the women did it to themselves.

There are at least 100 incidents of this nature reported in Pakistan with hundreds more not being reported. They know this because they eventually show up to the free clinic that has been created specifically for women who have had acid thrown in their faces.

This is reality.

ANSWER: Yes, let's just deny that Prophets and Messengers were never existent and came with no miracles and no followers.

I don't doubt Muhammad probably existed, but most certainly he was a liar and a fraud and brought no miracles with him, only lies and deception.

He would get revelations many times some being in front of others, you have no supporting evidence for your claims. 

The evidence is obvious and can be seen in any number of liars and frauds who do exactly the same thing.

The evidence YOU need to bring forth is how you know Muhammad actually did talk with an angel and actually did have Islam revealed to him by the angel.

That is evidence that simply does not exist, so we can conclude Muhammad was a liar and a fraud. Simple really.

[HaLi8993]

@ A Troubled Man

QUOTE: "LOL! I watched a program called, "Losing Face" in which a plastic surgeon who originally was born in Pakistan returns home to help Muslim women who have been scarred by their husbands throwing acid in their faces or gasoline and lighting them on fire. Each and every one of those men lied about what they did and claimed the women did it to themselves. 

There are at least 100 incidents of this nature reported in Pakistan with hundreds more not being reported. They know this because they eventually show up to the free clinic that has been created specifically for women who have had acid thrown in their faces. 

This is reality. 

ANSWER: I'm not sure what you are trying to imply.

Have you any evidence that Islam accepts such a thing, if you could find me anything that states that Islam allows anyone to throw acid in some ones face and that it is permissible in Islam I would consider your argument.

I could easily say that without religion rape is a major issue in America or how American soldiers went on a shooting spree killing 16 innocent Afghans. 

QUOTE:"I don't doubt Muhammad probably existed, but most certainly he was a liar and a fraud and brought no miracles with him, only lies and deception"

ANSWER: What makes you think he had no miracles??

QUOTE: "The evidence is obvious and can be seen in any number of liars and frauds who do exactly the same thing. 

The evidence YOU need to bring forth is how you know Muhammad actually did talk with an angel and actually did have Islam revealed to him by the angel. 

That is evidence that simply does not exist, so we can conclude Muhammad was a liar and a fraud. Simple really"

ANSWER: We have his whole life written in Hadith, these Hadith trace all the way back to the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) with authentic chain of narrations. 

I could ask you the same thing how do you know God doesn't exist??

[Burninglight]

Thank you, I will feel free. It doesn't make it not valid either.
Listen, I'll just leave you be. You are doing much better of a job and more convincing with your argument against Islam and the Muslims.

Sorry, if you are not convinced there are distinct definitions of words and that the combining of those distinct definitions as one is not valid.

I have no idea what you are trying to say here, but you are fighting a losing battle on disproving the existence of God.

You have Jews, Christians and Muslims who believe in one God creator of heaven and earth. Therefore, you are not only grossly out numbered, but it makes no sense not to believe that behind all this design there is no designer. It doesn't compute to most of the people in the world. You are better off concentrating on how illogical and inconsistent a given religion is by comparing and contrasting Islam to Christianity. Islam's greatest enemy is not Christianity. It is truth and knowledge. It's best ally is ignorance and deception. So that is the level you should focus on or where you might have a slight chance.

I agree with what you said about Muslims burning the faces of their woman and lie to cover it up. Besides, Allah admits he is the best of deceivers. So it is a joke for Muslims to say that they are better than their god and don't lie.
OTOH, not all Muslims do that to their woman only the Islamic zealots.