Did Allah start Christianty?

Burninglight · Post by **Burninglight** » Wed May 30, 2012 3:51 pm

Allah made it look like Jesus died, but he let someone die in Jesus' place to save Jesus according to the Quran. Isn't that a form of substitutionary death? This is something some Muslims tell me God doesn't do; so, I am confused about this.

The Quran states that the unbelievers plot and scheme with deception but Allah is the "best of deceivers" Some English translations state "the best of planners," in context, however, Allah does best what the unbelievers were doing which was deceiving; so, is Allah to blame for starting Christianity or did he know his deception would cause the birth of a religion that Islam could not comprehend or overcome? For instance, Christianity, IMO, has always been bigger, better and stronger than Islam and always will be!

Burninglight · Post by **Burninglight** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:15 pm

A Troubled Man wrote:
No one created them, they came about entirely on their own.

I don't have enough faith to believe that!

A Troubled Man · Post by **A Troubled Man** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:02 pm

Burninglight wrote:
I don't have enough faith to believe that!

Actually, it requires education to understand that, faith is for beliefs.

Burninglight · Post by **Burninglight** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:58 pm

A Troubled Man wrote:
Burninglight wrote:
I don't have enough faith to believe that!
Actually, it requires education to understand that, faith is for beliefs.

Faith is being used all the time. Every time, for instance, you sit in a chair, you have the faith it will hold you up or you wouldn't sit in it. In fact, the American dollar is only worth the faith people have in it. The dollar isn't worth the paper its printed on. What education can you give someone by telling them creation create itself?

HaLi8993 · Post by **HaLi8993** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:55 pm

@ A Troubled Man

QUOTE: "No one created them, they came about entirely on their own. "

ANSWER: How?? How can something come from nothing??

QUOTE: "That is just indoctrinated nonsense that defies reality and insults the intelligence and anyone who has ever had anything bad happen to them."

ANSWER: How does It defy reality?? What do you mean it insults one with intelligence and one who has encountered bad things??? You've lost me.

A Troubled Man · Post by **A Troubled Man** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:53 am

HaLi8993 wrote:
ANSWER: How?? How can something come from nothing??

That is exactly the argument YOU are presenting, that your God created the entire universe from nothing. How can something come from nothing?

Notice that your question works both ways?

ANSWER: How does It defy reality?? What do you mean it insults one with intelligence and one who has encountered bad things??? You've lost me.

Yes, I know you're lost and will not understand such things. There are a great many answers science has discovered about our universe and many of us have taken the time to understand those answers, while you have not, but instead have buried your head in a holy book. If any of those answers happen to contradict or show your holy book to be wrong, you will deny the answer in favor of your holy book. You will defy reality and insult those who were affected.

Every one of your posts has this process in place.

A Troubled Man · Post by **A Troubled Man** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:55 am

Burninglight wrote:
Faith is being used all the time. Every time, for instance, you sit in a chair, you have the faith it will hold you up or you wouldn't sit in it.

LOL! There are two very distinct definitions for faith. Your example of the chair is one and your faith in god is another, neither of which share the same premise.

Burninglight · Post by **Burninglight** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:59 pm

A Troubled Man wrote:
Burninglight wrote:
Faith is being used all the time. Every time, for instance, you sit in a chair, you have the faith it will hold you up or you wouldn't sit in it.
LOL! There are two very distinct definitions for faith. Your example of the chair is one and your faith in god is another, neither of which share the same premise.

For my purpose they are not two different premises, because I am talking about faith that trusts. Some people trust chairs or money more than they do God, but not me!

HaLi8993 · Post by **HaLi8993** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:05 am

@ A Troubled Man

QUOTE: "That is exactly the argument YOU are presenting, that your God created the entire universe from nothing. How can something come from nothing?Â

Notice that your question works both ways?Â

ANSWER: There is a huge difference here, God is not human. God is able to do everything and anything humans cannot. There is no comparison.

QUOTE:Â Yes, I know you're lost and will not understand such things. There are a great many answers science has discovered about our universe and many of us have taken the time to understand those answers, while you have not, but instead have buried your head in a holy book. If any of those answers happen to contradict or show your holy book to be wrong, you will deny the answer in favor of your holy book. You will defy reality and insult those who were affected.Â

Every one of your posts has this process in place."

ANSWER: No doubt science has proven many things, I'm not denying this, and I am thankful that God has allowed people to conduct such scientific experiments that are based on truth and not falsehood or speculations, if you believe in these things and deny what your Creator the one that knows what He created and for what purpose then this is a direct insult to reality itself. Because God created reality not humans.

A Troubled Man · Post by **A Troubled Man** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:37 am

Burninglight wrote: For my purpose they are not two different premises, because I am talking about faith that trusts. Some people trust chairs or money more than they do God, but not me!

Yes, I understand believers are not aware of or deny what constitutes the differences in the two definitions.

A Troubled Man · Post by **A Troubled Man** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:41 am

HaLi8993 wrote:
ANSWER: There is a huge difference here, God is not human. God is able to do everything and anything humans cannot. There is no comparison.

LOL! So essentially, your entire argument boils down to the usual nonsense spewed by believers... Goddunnit because God can do anything.

So much for your argument.

ANSWER: No doubt science has proven many things, I'm not denying this, and I am thankful that God has allowed people to conduct such scientific experiments that are based on truth and not falsehood or speculations, if you believe in these things and deny what your Creator the one that knows what He created and for what purpose then this is a direct insult to reality itself. Because God created reality not humans.

LOL! That's just religious dogma speaking. Your God has not been shown to create reality, science has not revealed your God in any way of having accomplished that, quite the contrary, in fact.