What is "The Good News?"

EBA · Post by **EBA** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:06 pm

Tell me, what is "The Good News?"

Peace be to all.

EBA · Post by **EBA** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:51 pm

JehovahsWitness wrote:
EBA wrote:

To your point though about not "fully understanding," I do believe they understood some things within these parables, but certainly not the parables as a whole

On that I fully agree, God reveals things in his own due time, most nominal Christians even today have no idea what most of Jesus' parabels mean. Holy spirit acts on the approved in God's due time wouldn't you say?

JW

Yes.

EBA · Post by **EBA** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:41 pm

Hi onewithhim, before I reply to your posts, Id like to get a few things straight:

1. I am not a Trinitarian.
2. I am well aware that the Father is greater than the Son.
3. Christ, Gods son, is the first of Gods creation.
4. Christ is Jehovah (this, of course, INCLUDES the Father)
5. Everything the Father does, has done, or ever will do is through Christ.

Those are some of my beliefs.

onewithhim wrote:Are we kindergarteners here? Of course not. So understanding that the One who plans an event and figures out all the ins-and-outs and then appoints someone to carry them out would be the One responsible for the entire event, is something not too difficult to arrive at. Right?

Well, I do believe that God the Father is our savior and I believe that Christ our Father is our savior.

onewithhim wrote:Jehovah, the Father, planned how salvation would be brought about, and He assigned His Son to go through with those plans. The Father is THE Savior, because all of the power and the responsibility rests with Him.

Yes, God the Father certainly is responsible for the salvation of all mankind. After all he did plan the whole event.

onewithhim wrote:He gave all the necessary power and aid to the Son so that the Son could carry out the plans.

God gave his Son everything including ALL POWER, not just the necessary power as you put it, in heaven and in earth.

onewithhim wrote:The Son is technically the Savior as well, because he was the instrument that was used, if you will, to bring about the salvation that the Father was offering.

Christ is our savior because he is Gods channel for everything, including creation.

By the way, I dont believe you ever answered my question; would you please?

He "directed Jesus to come to Earth" from where?

EBA · Post by **EBA** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:43 pm

onewithhim wrote:Since Mary believed that Jehovah---the Father of Jesus and all of us---is God, there is no issue. No one in her generation believed that Jesus was God. That whole doctrine wasn't officially formed for another 400 years. It is not Scriptural.

Jesus himself sealed the point:

He said to Mary Magdelene: "Tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, and to MY GOD and your God.'" (John 20:17, NIV)

Jesus referred to the Father, Jehovah, as "my God." Does God HAVE a God?

No God does not have a God.

My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
I and my Father are one.
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. John (10:29-31)

Let me ask you:

Is woman man? Better yet, is woman Adam?

OnceConvinced · Post by **OnceConvinced** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:11 pm

onewithhim wrote:
OnceConvinced wrote:
onewithhim wrote: [Replying to post 73 by OnceConvinced]

I believe that the scriptural references to "just about ready" must be looked at the way God is looking at things. He is eternal. Two thousand years is a fraction of a millisecond to Him. What is that amount of time to Someone who has existed forever?
It's claims like this which make it impossible to take Christians seriously.

Paul was the writer of those words and he was writing to them in terms they understood. Human terms. Why would he speak in god speak?

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Onewithhim responds:

I believe that Paul, who was one of the 144,000 chosen ones, was viewing things the way he knew God would be viewing them. He had an understanding of God and how limitless His power and existence is. I feel that he took all that into consideration, realizing that 2,000 years was nothing to God.
If he had an understanding, he'd be a ... onewithhim"]
Paul spoke with such urgency because the people he was writing and speaking to were living short lives, compared to eternity, and it was imperative that they make a decision NOW in their lives so that they would be assured of a place in Jesus' government. If they didn't get on board then, they wouldn't be included in Jesus' government. It was a great privilege, and one to be taken seriously at that time. If they died, they would be resurrected in the last days, but it would SEEM as if 2,000 years had not gone by at all, but that they were still back in the first century, because the dead have no consciousness of time passing..

That makes absolutely no sense at all. Even if our lives are short compared to eternity, it's still necessary for us to establish relationships and attempt to live a happy life. It makes no sense for anyone to say "Don't bother. You're life is so short compared to eternity."

Quite clearly we have a man here who is very concerned that these people, even in the short lives they have, don't have enough time to establish relationships and buy things for the future.

It seems quite sensible to me

Since when would it be considered sensible to tell people not to establish relationships or buy things? Since when was it sensible to tell people not to bother about being happy? Is that what you would tell someone who had say a terminal illness? "Hey dude, you're going to die in two years. No point in bothering to keep your wife happy. No point in being in a relationship with her anymore. Don't even bother trying to be happy.".

Please do read this scripture again.

1 Corinthians 7: What I mean, brothers and sisters, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they do not; 30 those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep; 31 those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.

Would you tell your own children, "hey don't worry about establishing relationships. Don't worry about saving for the future. Don't worry about building up any assets. Don't even worry about trying to be happy. Jesus is returning soon."

Do you even follow Paul's advice yourself? If so why have you got a computer. That's something you don't even need because time is so short. Are you married? Why bother with that? Just forget about pleasing your husband, time is too short. Jesus is on the verge of returning.

Monta · Post by **Monta** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:23 am

[Replying to post 114 by OnceConvinced]

"1 Corinthians 7: What I mean, brothers and sisters, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they do not; 30 those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep; 31 those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away. "

I read ir and it does not make sense. You can not pick few words out of a rather large chapter Cor. 7:1-40 and interpret it to suit your point of view.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=KJV

Keep in mind that they wrote to Paul asking for advice and the whole chapter is his response to it.

7 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.

4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. etc

Zionite · Post by **Zionite** » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:38 am

The good news is that we get a choice. Do I fear God and keep His commandments, or do I forge a different path?

Post by **Tcg** » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:26 am

Zionite wrote: The good news is that we get a choice. Do I fear God and keep His commandments, or do I forge a different path?

This would be good news if the choice between the two resulted in the same outcome. In this manner, this is good news in a that neither choice changes the eternal outcome of the person making the choice. Death is final for all. People are free to choose and their free choice doesn't change their final outcome in any way.

Life is short, enjoy it now, it's all you've got. Praise reality!

EBA · Post by **EBA** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:19 pm

Zionite wrote: The good news is that we get a choice. Do I fear God and keep His commandments, or do I forge a different path?

May I ask, which choice did you make?

And if you fear God, which commandments are to be kept?

Peace.

Zionite · Post by **Zionite** » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:26 pm

[Replying to EBA]

I chose the path to fear God and keep His commandments.

We are to keep ALL his commandments. Unfortunately it's impossible to keep all of them, as we are imperfect beings. That's where repentance comes in.

EBA · Post by **EBA** » Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:40 pm

Zionite wrote: I chose the path to fear God and keep His commandments.

We are to keep ALL his commandments. Unfortunately it's impossible to keep all of them, as we are imperfect beings. That's where repentance comes in.

Hi Zionite,

Which law do you feel you're under, the old law of sin and death or the new law of the spirit?

You can't be under both.

Peace.

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