What is "The Good News?"

[EBA]

Tell me, what is "The Good News?"

Peace be to all.

[Monta]

[Replying to post 97 by onewithhim]

"He said to Mary Magdelene: "Tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, and to MY GOD and your God.'" (John 20:17, NIV)


Jesus referred to the Father, Jehovah, as "my God." Does God HAVE a God?"


I have no problem with the above quote as i do not have to support any particular Church dogma.
What I see is the loving words of the Savior embracing humanity having opened the path to 'the Father' - the Supreme Love. As Supreme Love could not descend to earth, Himself the Word - divine Truth descended to show the way to the Father - to MY GOD and your GOD.
No, God does not have God, but Mary's son did.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 101 by Monta]

Was Mary's son God?

[onewithhim]

Yes, there is that. But what about Mary the mother of Jesus regarding God as her savior?

Since I am of the opinion that Christ is God, I don't see an issue there.

Peace.

Is there any evidence that Mary herself regarded her son, "Christ as God"?

I believe there is; every time she called him by his name.

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: (Php 2:9)

Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. (Heb 1:4)

Peace.

She never called God anything other than "Jehovah." She, as well as every Jew, knew that YHWH was God's personal name, and she would have pronounced it however the ancients pronounced it. It didn't come under superstitious dis-use until around the 2nd or 3rd centuries. Whenever she mentioned "God" she was absolutely referring to the Father, YHWH.

Jesus has an exalted name, but not higher than the One's name who gave him that exaltation....YHWH/Jehovah.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 97 by onewithhim]

"He said to Mary Magdelene: "Tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, and to MY GOD and your God.'" (John 20:17, NIV)


Jesus referred to the Father, Jehovah, as "my God." Does God HAVE a God?"


I have no problem with the above quote as i do not have to support any particular Church dogma.
What I see is the loving words of the Savior embracing humanity having opened the path to 'the Father' - the Supreme Love. As Supreme Love could not descend to earth, Himself the Word - divine Truth descended to show the way to the Father - to MY GOD and your GOD.
No, God does not have God, but Mary's son did.

I agree with you. I don't understand how on other subjects you and I are opposites. In fact, haven't you said that you are a Trinitarian? What you said above belies that position, does it not?

[Monta]

[Replying to post 101 by Monta]

Was Mary's son God?

it is unthinkable that a woman could give birth to a God.
God is eternal, always is always was.

The divine Word/Truth/Christ descended and took on the human form (did not become it) through Mary; put it on like a garment.

Mary gave birth to a very human Jesus not to the Divine soul which was Father within.

(Onewithin, does this above clarify it? And no I never said I am Trinitarian)

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 105 by Monta]

Fair enough, its hard to keep track of who is a trinitarian, who believes Jesus was 100% and 100% god (while on earth) but is not a trinitarian and who believes Jesus is Almighty God. In any case I never met two "trinitarians" that believe the same thing ...

Thanks for the clarification, carry on ...

JW

[EBA]

Can you explain why you said Jesus didn't make himself clear to his disciples and then quoted Mat 13:43.

JW

He didnt make himself clear because he wasnt ready to make himself clear.

These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. (John 16:25)

His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb. (John 16:29)

Most Christians believe Jesus spoke plainly to his disciples in private; he did not. Even when Jesus explained his parables to his disciples he spoke in parables just as he did with the parable of the tares of the field.

Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. (Ver. 36)
-He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; (Ver. 37)
-the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; (Ver. 38)
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. (Ver. 39)
-the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. (Ver. 40)
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; (Ver. 41)
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. (Ver. 42)
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. " (Ver. 43)

And when he was done he said-

-Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. (Mat 13:43)

-just as he did prior with the parable of the sower; no one (including his disciples) understood him then and his disciples, in private, did not understand when he explained the parable of the tares of the field. No one understood his parables.

Jesus says they are given understanding but he doesnt say when (ver. 11-12).

Look and see:

And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: (Mat 15:10)

Thats equivalent to Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Did the multitudes have ears to hear; did they Hear, and understand? No.

Did his disciples have ears to hear; did they Hear, and understand? No.

Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.
And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
(Mat 15:15-16)

Yes, they were without understanding.

Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men. (Luk 9:44)

-the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs- (John 16:25)

Peace.

[JehovahsWitness]

Can you explain why you said Jesus didn't make himself clear to his disciples and then quoted Mat 13:43.

JW

He didnt make himself clear because he wasnt ready to make himself clear.

Could it be he made it clear but they didn't fully understand the explanation?

[EBA]

Can you explain why you said Jesus didn't make himself clear to his disciples and then quoted Mat 13:43.

JW

He didnt make himself clear because he wasnt ready to make himself clear.

Could it be he made it clear but they didn't fully understand the explanation?

I don't believe so, but if you do I like to hear your explanation.

To your point though about not "fully understanding," I do believe they understood some things within these parables, but certainly not the parables as a whole.

[JehovahsWitness]

To your point though about not "fully understanding," I do believe they understood some things within these parables, but certainly not the parables as a whole

On that I fully agree, God reveals things in his own due time, most nominal Christians even today have no idea what most of Jesus' parabels mean. Holy spirit acts on the approved in God's due time wouldn't you say?

JW