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God created all things by Jesus Christ

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This is another way to prove the identity of Jesus Christ the Son of God as being the very Word of God.

Notice…

Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

And here….

Hebrews 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

And here….

Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

In the above 3 verses we see that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and the Word of God are the same, by which God created all things.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:15 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:55 am I dont understand your response: does the word "over" mean equal or does the word over mean superior ?
Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:09 am...
To this understanding below sounds they are equal.
Romans 9:5
Who is OVER all ...
So just to clarify you believe the word OVER in Romans 9:5 means EQUAL ?
Yes, but it excludes the Father, where Barnes understand they are both Divine.

Romans 9:5
[Who is over all] This is an appellation that belongs only to the true God. It implies supreme divinity; and is full proof that the Messiah is divine:
(from Barnes' Notes)

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Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:25 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:15 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:55 am I dont understand your response: does the word "over" mean equal or does the word over mean superior ?
Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:09 am...
To this understanding below sounds they are equal.
Romans 9:5
Who is OVER all ...
So just to clarify you believe the word OVER in Romans 9:5 means EQUAL ?
Yes ...
So I can replace the word "over" in the verse with the word EQUAL and it would mean the same thing?
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:47 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:25 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:15 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:55 am I dont understand your response: does the word "over" mean equal or does the word over mean superior ?
Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:09 am...
To this understanding below sounds they are equal.
Romans 9:5
Who is OVER all ...
So just to clarify you believe the word OVER in Romans 9:5 means EQUAL ?
Yes ...
So I can replace the word "over" in the verse with the word EQUAL and it would mean the same thing?
Yes, as it doesn't include the Father, Just like in Heb 1:10.

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Capbook wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 2:25 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:47 am
So just to clarify you believe the word OVER in Romans 9:5 means EQUAL ?
Yes ...
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:47 amSo I can replace the word "over" in the verse with the word EQUAL and it would mean the same thing?
Capbook wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 2:25 am Yes ...
Okay, so lets do that then, lets take out the word OVER and replace it with the word "EQUAL"...

Romans 9:5 : Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God [EQUAL (to)] all, forever praised! Amen.NIV

Are you happy that the above ?
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 2:43 am
Capbook wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 2:25 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:47 am
So just to clarify you believe the word OVER in Romans 9:5 means EQUAL ?
Yes ...
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:47 amSo I can replace the word "over" in the verse with the word EQUAL and it would mean the same thing?
Capbook wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 2:25 am Yes ...
Okay, so lets do that then, lets take out the word OVER and replace it with the word "EQUAL"...
I can't see the reply.

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Romans 9:5 : Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God [EQUAL (to)] all, forever praised! Amen.NIV

Are you happy that the above ?
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 4:00 am
Romans 9:5 : Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God [EQUAL (to)] all, forever praised! Amen.NIV

Are you happy that the above ?
Are you accustom of changing the words in the Bible?

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Capbook wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 4:35 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 4:00 am
Romans 9:5 : Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God [EQUAL (to)] all, forever praised! Amen.NIV

Are you happy that the above ?
Are you accustom of changing the words in the Bible?
I did not change the words in the bible, I changed the words in the post - isn't that what you told me to do?
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 6:40 am
Capbook wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 4:35 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 4:00 am
Romans 9:5 : Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God [EQUAL (to)] all, forever praised! Amen.NIV

Are you happy that the above ?
Are you accustom of changing the words in the Bible?
I did not change the words in the bible, I changed the words in the post - isn't that what you told me to do?
I am not the one who post it, and I've read some that your translators have also changed words in the Bible. That I wonder if you are accustom doing it.
Back to the thread's title, yes I believed Jesus in Heb 1:10 laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of His hands.

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Capbook wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 2:20 am I believed Jesus in Heb 1:10 laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of His hands.
So? Your point being?
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