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God created all things by Jesus Christ

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This is another way to prove the identity of Jesus Christ the Son of God as being the very Word of God.

Notice…

Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

And here….

Hebrews 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

And here….

Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

In the above 3 verses we see that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and the Word of God are the same, by which God created all things.

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Bible_Student wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 4:56 pmFrom the point of view of a Christian who believes that the entire Bible is inspired by the same holy spirit of God, there cannot be any contradiction when it comes to disambiguating some difficult-to-understand texts. That is the premise of a Jehovah's Witness when studying the Bible.
And yet there are. If the Bible is, in fact, inspired of the Holy Spirit and each biblical author is just as authoritative as any other, then altering the meaning of one to reconcile more comfortably with another is to tell the Holy Spirit what It should mean, rather than let It tell you. When the Holy Spirit has given you a contradiction and you insist that it isn't there, you are filtering away that which the Spirit has given you.
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Difflugia wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 5:06 pm
Bible_Student wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 4:56 pmFrom the point of view of a Christian who believes that the entire Bible is inspired by the same holy spirit of God, there cannot be any contradiction when it comes to disambiguating some difficult-to-understand texts. That is the premise of a Jehovah's Witness when studying the Bible.
And yet there are.
You need to prove that.
Difflugia wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 5:06 pmIf the Bible is, in fact, inspired of the Holy Spirit and each biblical author is just as authoritative as any other, then altering the meaning of one to reconcile more comfortably with another is to tell the Holy Spirit what It should mean, rather than let It tell you. When the Holy Spirit has given you a contradiction and you insist that it isn't there, you are filtering away that which the Spirit has given you.
This paragraph goes beyond what I am interested in analyzing.

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Bible_Student wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 5:15 pm
Difflugia wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 5:06 pmIf the Bible is, in fact, inspired of the Holy Spirit and each biblical author is just as authoritative as any other, then altering the meaning of one to reconcile more comfortably with another is to tell the Holy Spirit what It should mean, rather than let It tell you. When the Holy Spirit has given you a contradiction and you insist that it isn't there, you are filtering away that which the Spirit has given you.
This paragraph goes beyond what I am interested in analyzing.
That's a shame. I find the Bible to be much more interesting when I let it be what it is.
Bible_Student wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 5:15 pm
Difflugia wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 5:06 pm
Bible_Student wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 4:56 pmthere cannot be any contradiction
And yet there are.
You need to prove that.
This has been done over and over, but I've created a new thread in case you want to talk about it again.
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Re: God created all things by Jesus Christ

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Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 2:23 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 1:00 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 8:41 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:29 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:44 am
myth-one.com wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:02 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2024 6:35 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2024 5:02 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 5:08 am

May I know from you how the Word become flesh?
John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.


The Word became flesh by being born of the flesh through Mary.
Yes. Who is contesting that?

I don't know that anyone is contesting it.

Capbook asked the question.
Yes, Jesus became flesh by being born of the flesh through Mary.
Then what Jesus would become being born of the Spirit? (Child of the Holy Ghost, Mat 1:18)
And being called the Son of God, could this proves that the Holy Spirit is God?

Matt 1:18
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
KJV
No. How does this prove that the Holy Spirit is God? The HS was the desire of God to impregnate Mary. He did it by sending his HS to do so. The HS is like His hands. He doesn't use hands to create something, He uses the H.S.
Your god needs a helping hand. My God when He speaks, it is done. (Psa 33:9)
When my God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (Gen 1:3)
Now base on Mat 1:18 and 20, who made Mary conceived (become pregnant)?

Matt 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Matt 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
KJV
I agree. It is God's active FORCE.
Can a force teach and bring into remembrance all things?
As a Comforter lexicon defines it as a legal assistant, counsel of the defense, an advocate, verbal adjective and etc.

John 14:26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Comforter parakletos NT:3875), lit., "called to one's side," i. e., to one's aid, is primarily a verbal adjective, and suggests the capability or adaptability for giving aid. It was used in a court of justice to denote a legal assistant, counsel for the defense, an advocate; then, generally, one who pleads another's cause, an intercessor, advocate, as in 1 John 2:1, of the Lord Jesus.
(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright © 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers.)
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Re: God created all things by Jesus Christ

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Capbook wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:44 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 2:23 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 1:00 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 8:41 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:29 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:44 am
myth-one.com wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:02 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2024 6:35 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2024 5:02 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 5:08 am

May I know from you how the Word become flesh?
John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.


The Word became flesh by being born of the flesh through Mary.
Yes. Who is contesting that?

I don't know that anyone is contesting it.

Capbook asked the question.
Yes, Jesus became flesh by being born of the flesh through Mary.
Then what Jesus would become being born of the Spirit? (Child of the Holy Ghost, Mat 1:18)
And being called the Son of God, could this proves that the Holy Spirit is God?

Matt 1:18
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
KJV
No. How does this prove that the Holy Spirit is God? The HS was the desire of God to impregnate Mary. He did it by sending his HS to do so. The HS is like His hands. He doesn't use hands to create something, He uses the H.S.
Your god needs a helping hand. My God when He speaks, it is done. (Psa 33:9)
When my God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (Gen 1:3)
Now base on Mat 1:18 and 20, who made Mary conceived (become pregnant)?

Matt 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Matt 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
KJV
I agree. It is God's active FORCE.
Can a force teach and bring into remembrance all things?
Yes, God's active force can teach and bring into remembrance all things. It is just Jehovah's extended thinking.

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 11:44 am
Capbook wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:44 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 2:23 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 1:00 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 8:41 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:29 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:44 am
myth-one.com wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:02 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2024 6:35 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2024 5:02 pm

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.


The Word became flesh by being born of the flesh through Mary.
Yes. Who is contesting that?

I don't know that anyone is contesting it.

Capbook asked the question.
Yes, Jesus became flesh by being born of the flesh through Mary.
Then what Jesus would become being born of the Spirit? (Child of the Holy Ghost, Mat 1:18)
And being called the Son of God, could this proves that the Holy Spirit is God?

Matt 1:18
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
KJV
No. How does this prove that the Holy Spirit is God? The HS was the desire of God to impregnate Mary. He did it by sending his HS to do so. The HS is like His hands. He doesn't use hands to create something, He uses the H.S.
Your god needs a helping hand. My God when He speaks, it is done. (Psa 33:9)
When my God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (Gen 1:3)
Now base on Mat 1:18 and 20, who made Mary conceived (become pregnant)?

Matt 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Matt 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
KJV
I agree. It is God's active FORCE.
Can a force teach and bring into remembrance all things?
Yes, God's active force can teach and bring into remembrance all things. It is just Jehovah's extended thinking.
By your interpretation of Holy Spirit as force, can you describe the form or image of the HS?

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Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 2:52 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 11:44 am
Capbook wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:44 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 2:23 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 1:00 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 8:41 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:29 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:44 am
myth-one.com wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:02 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2024 6:35 pm
Yes. Who is contesting that?

I don't know that anyone is contesting it.

Capbook asked the question.
Yes, Jesus became flesh by being born of the flesh through Mary.
Then what Jesus would become being born of the Spirit? (Child of the Holy Ghost, Mat 1:18)
And being called the Son of God, could this proves that the Holy Spirit is God?

Matt 1:18
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
KJV
No. How does this prove that the Holy Spirit is God? The HS was the desire of God to impregnate Mary. He did it by sending his HS to do so. The HS is like His hands. He doesn't use hands to create something, He uses the H.S.
Your god needs a helping hand. My God when He speaks, it is done. (Psa 33:9)
When my God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (Gen 1:3)
Now base on Mat 1:18 and 20, who made Mary conceived (become pregnant)?

Matt 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Matt 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
KJV
I agree. It is God's active FORCE.
Can a force teach and bring into remembrance all things?
Yes, God's active force can teach and bring into remembrance all things. It is just Jehovah's extended thinking.
By your interpretation of Holy Spirit as force, can you describe the form or image of the HS?
As JW brought out, it has no form but is like electricity which goes out from a power source.

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Re: God created all things by Jesus Christ

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The Word created everything, not Jesus Christ:

John 1:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


Jesus was the Word made flesh -- not the Word.

And Jesus was born about 2024 years ago -- not in the beginning.

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