Jehovah’s Witnesses only ones that will be saved?????

[Donray]

Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that only 144,000 people will go to heaven. God chooses these 144,000 individuals, the process began with the first century Christians and was completed in the year 1935. Of course from 1879 (the year the Watchtower started) till 1935 only faithful Jehovah’s Witnesses were chosen for this special role. All faithful Jehovah’s Witnesses not chosen to be among the 144,000 elite that go to heaven (those joining the Watchtower after 1935) will spend eternity on earth. All other people on the earth will be destroyed at war of Armageddon here on earth. This would also include any Jehovah's Witnesses who has been disfellowshipped or is otherwise unfaithful to the Watchtower and has not worked his or her way back into the good graces of the Watchtower by the time of Armageddon.

If one believes the JWs all other Christians and everyone that is not a JW will not go to heaven or live on the Earth after Armageddon.

Question for debate is JW the only true Christin religion or is it some type of cult that calls itself Christian?

[Hector Barbosa]

[Replying to post 196 by JehovahsWitness]

Kudos for you for digging until you found what you needed.

Thanks JW. I am grateful for you taking the time to explain this to me, I must admit there is a big part of me that wish I could believe all these things to be true.

It would be great if there was a loving God and a heaven, it would. Someone needs to sort out the mess we have in the world today, it just seems to far from the world I know

[Hector Barbosa]

[Replying to post 198 by JehovahsWitness]

I'm in no position to judge President Trump as an individual but if he does make it, he most certainly will not be ruling any part of the earth and will have to comform to God's standards and bow to the king (Jesus). Same for Hitler if He's bought back (which I doubt but again, I'm not the judge). Re: disease, see above.

Yeah I am not either, but I know I am not happy to live in a world with men like Hitler or Trump to lead.

I know you're joking but who knows?! Jehovah stopped adding new animal creations on the 6th day, but who knows if he'll decide to make new fish or new and wonderful creatures for our delight... and who knows what we humans will invent with perfect brains and an eternity to use them! A way to defy gravity that doesn't involve being in a big metal contraption or attached to a balloon? Space travel will be facinating for some. The sky will quite literally be our limit.

Now, I'm not saying I wouldn't like to go to heaven, but only for a visit, personally I would want to come back down here, after an extended tour and of course an audience with my Creator. But if (as seems to be the case) that is not am option, paradise on earth suits me just fine.

Yeah I was joking, and yet I too seriously hope for something better and I am not sure I understand why you are so sure you would want to return back here after being in heaven.

I don't think I would. If I saw a better place, the worst place would likely never see me again.

[JehovahsWitness]

My main problem is that I have a difficult time even grasping a concept of "spiritual" virgins

Yes it does sound strange at first. But the idea of the word "virgin" being synonymous with being "pure" "unused" is not totally foreign even in language today. We refer to "virgin" territory, being areas untouched and undeveloped (nothing to do with the area not having sex) and in French (I'm bilingual french) we speak of "papier vierge" virgin paper meaning a blank sheet of paper.

In the bible "virgin" also often used symbolically, for example Jerusalem, Israel's capital is referred to in Isaiah as "the virgin city of zion" a reference to the fact that from the Days of King David until Isaiah's day, it had never been conquered by foreign by foreign powers. and in many occassions throughout scripture sex, marriage, divorce and virginity are used as metaphors for the God's relationship with his people (I repeat these are just metaphors not to be taken literally). We use similar metaphors today, we "divorce" ourselves from problems, a man is "married" to his job ...

So yes, the bible in Revelation speaks of Christ having a bride (see Rev 19:7) and this represents the total number of 144,000 (made up of both men and women) who will enter into a contracted working relationship (they too will be "married to their job" but in a good way). In bible times it would be disgraceful for a bride not to be a virgin as it would represent a disloyalty to her new husband. In a similar way Paul urged the christian congregation of anointed to present themselves "pure" and "unblemished", meaning to not compromising their Christian standards. When they arrive in heaven, they will be "virgin" in the sense that they recognized and lived their lives dedicated to God and promised in "marriage" (symbolic unity) to Christ.

[JehovahsWitness]

Yeah I was joking, and yet I too seriously hope for something better and I am not sure I understand why you are so sure you would want to return back here after being in heaven.

Oh I'm not really sure but its all speculation. What I do know is that I do not have a heavenly calling so it is not an option for me. I mentioned earlier that neither is a "right" both options are a gift. If someone gives you a gift say a Mercedes you don't say "er... yeah thanks but I do believe that you gave someone ELSE a Rolls Royce". The thought gift horse and mouth come to mind...lol

I don't think I would. If I saw a better place, the worst place would likely never see me again.

In any case another thing to consider is, is it really a matter of "worse" rather than "different"? Remember we are not talking about our present world system but a paradise. Humans were created for life on this planet and this planet was created for us. A diamond is not "better" than a sandwich if you are dying of hunger. Heaven is better for those created for heaven, and yes, being in the presence of the Creator is "better" if we just think in terms of the privilege of the company, but in the end, better is what we are best suited for and in that sense, better is right here on this planet.

Why not make a list all the things you would like to do/see/have/experience and see how many of them can be satisfied on a paradise earth?

[JehovahsWitness]

Thanks JW. I am grateful for you taking the time to explain this to me, I must admit there is a big part of me that wish I could believe all these things to be true.

It would be great if there was a loving God and a heaven, it would.

My pleasure, no need to thank me. I thank you for restoring my faith that there are people with open minds and respectful and honest way of communicating even on the internet...lol


I must admit there is a big part of me that wish I could believe all these things to be true.

You don't have to wish. You have a keen mind and a curiosity. If you would like faith, work for it. All you have to do is undertake a serious and systematic study of the bible. I am confident as your knowledge of it grows, so will your faith.

Someone needs to sort out the mess we have in the world today, it just seems to far from the world I know

Remember, all these things happening today were predicted by Jesus, and serve as a sign that the end of this system of things is very close. Someone indeed needs to sort out the mess we have in the world today, that someone is Jesus by means of the very government we have been talking about (Christ + 144,000). The KINGDOM is the answer, the only viable solution to mankind's problems.


They (the 144,000 under the leadership of Christ Jesus) are the ones that will take the lead in destroying the present world system, killing off all wicked people, smashing all corrupt institutions and governments and selecting the "meek" that shall be allowed continue living on this our planet earth under a new society and a completely new world order.


JW

[2timothy316]

[Replying to post 205 by JehovahsWitness]

Yes. Keep asking questions Hector! There is a promise in the Bible that you can examine and live out for yourself if wish.

The apostle Paul urged fellow believers: “Persevere in prayer.� (Rom. 12:12) Jesus made a powerful point along those lines when he declared: “Keep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on seeking, and you will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to you. For everyone asking receives, and everyone seeking finds, and to everyone knocking it will be opened.� (Matt. 7:7, 8)

“This is the confidence that we have toward [God], that, no matter what it is that we ask according to his will, he hears us.�—1 John 5:14.

“Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you.�—James 4:8.

Folks like JW, onewithhim and myself are really just sign post that point to Biblical answers. We can't make people understand but when we find someone who does, JW is 100% correct in saying it is rare. We are here not to provide faith but to support you and anyone interested in the building of their own faith. No matter how tiny that glimmer of faith my be. The Bible says that faith the size of a mustard seed can move a mountain. (Matthew 17:20)

[postroad]

[Replying to post 201 by Hector Barbosa]

And remember that only those under Jehovah's Witness organization will be saved in the coming Armageddon. Unless Of course they are not? In which case the will all certainly be damned to hell for their position.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to post 207 by postroad]

Another inaccuracy, looks like someone hasn't read the thread, not even the first page.

Please review post 6 on the very first page.

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 372#811372

[postroad]

[Replying to post 208 by 2timothy316] Unless your organization has reversed course I believe they have stated that everyone belonging to the world and apostate Christendom in these last days will be destroyed in the coming Armageddon. Have they changed their doctrine on this matter.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 201 by Hector Barbosa]

And remember that only those under Jehovah's Witness organization will be saved in the coming Armageddon. Unless Of course they are not? In which case the will all certainly be damned to hell for their position.

Whatever they have or haven't done, I prefer not to be so black and white.

The scripture "mercy triumphs over judgment" is there for a reason.