What is "The Good News?"

EBA · Post by **EBA** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:06 pm

Tell me, what is "The Good News?"

Peace be to all.

Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:56 pm

JehovahsWitness wrote:
Checkpoint wrote:What exactly is it "that started at Pentecost"?
"the kingdom of the son of God's love"

I said that in the post above.

(see above)

JW

You did, but I wanted to know what exactly you meant by that term.

I still do!

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:58 pm

[Replying to post 200 by Checkpoint]

It is that which started at Pentecost and is a present reality (and has been for over 2000 years). It's that which is, that which was and that which has been for over 2000 years.

Checkpoint wrote:Ever since, the kingdom has been here and now as well as yet future.

Why what do you think the bible means when it uses this expression?

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:10 pm

Checkpoint wrote: I did not say, or intend to "mean the HOPE of the kingdom", but its present reality as it has been for over 2000 years.

What exactly you meant by the term "kingdom"? How that has been only for "over 2000 years"? Was it only partly manifesting itself, say, 3000 years ago?

JW

Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:19 pm

JehovahsWitness wrote:
Checkpoint wrote: What is this "Messianic kingdom" and when did it start?
The Messianic kingdom is what I have been referring to, if you don't know what it is, how can you tell me I'm wrong about when it started?

It is not always easy to follow you{you may at times be saying the same thing about me!}.

Your "Messianic kingdom" seems to refer to the kingdom following the return of Jesus, but whether that was in 1914 or is yet future I do not know.

Please therefore clarify.

Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:35 pm

JehovahsWitness wrote:
Checkpoint wrote:What exactly is it "that started at Pentecost"?
"the kingdom of the son of God's love" I said that in the post above.

I presumed that's what you were referring to when you spoke of it the kingdom being a reality for over 2000 years.

JW

It was.

But you have always contested that in our exchanges over the past year.

Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:54 pm

JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 200 by Checkpoint]

It is that which started at Pentecost and is a present reality (and has been for over 2000 years). It's that which is, that which was and that which has been for over 2000 years.

Checkpoint wrote:Ever since, the kingdom has been here and now as well as yet future.
Why what do you think the bible means when it uses this expression?

The expression, "the kingdom"?

God's reign as King, governing in His own ways to reach His eternal purpose.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:03 am

Checkpoint wrote:
Please therefore clarify.

The "Messianic" kingdom is the Kingdom that belongs to the Messiah. We believe Jesus to be the Messiah, so the Kingdom that belongs to Jesus is the "Messianic Kingdom".

LUKE 22:29
my Father has granted me a Kingdom

The Messianic Kingdom Jesus said God gave him (that Jesus obviously didn't have before God gave (granted) it to him) Why do you say "your" messianic kingdom, is it because you don't believe Jesus is the Messiah or because you don't believe the Father gave Jesus a kingdom?

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:05 am

Checkpoint wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:
Checkpoint wrote:What exactly is it "that started at Pentecost"?
"the kingdom of the son of God's love" I said that in the post above.

I presumed that's what you were referring to when you spoke of it the kingdom being a reality for over 2000 years.

JW
It was.

So you've heard of the expression "the kingdom of the son of God's love" before? You know where it is in the bible? How do you define "the kingdom of the son of God's love"? And why is it only 2000 years old? Where was it 3000 years ago?

Checkpoint wrote:The expression, "the kingdom"?

No the "kingdom of the son of God's love". I'm not referring here to the messianic kingdom (see above).

Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:28 am

JehovahsWitness wrote:
Checkpoint wrote: I did not say, or intend to "mean the HOPE of the kingdom", but its present reality as it has been for over 2000 years.

What exactly you meant by the term "kingdom"? How that has been only for "over 2000 years"? Was it only partly manifesting itself, say, 3000 years ago?

JW

God the King created everything, and ever since His kingdom has been "only partly manifesting itself" as He has seen fit.

The good news is we believers can now experience its present benefits, having been welcomed into it as His sons and daughters.

Thus we have a firm and grounded HOPE of its coming full manifestation.

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:30 am

Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 193 by onewithhim]

we know that God's Kingdom hasn't fully manifested itself, but will do so in the (near) future.
So, before that it was only partly manifesting itself?

If so, when did it start doing that?

I don't know how to answer that because I don't remember the whole conversation. You posted just a part of what I said, above, and I don't recall what I had said along with that. It would have been helpful to be able to see the entire conversation.

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