Jehovah's Witnesses vs. other Christians

[Justin108]

To non-Jehovah's Witnesses - what do Jehovah's Witnesses believe about Christianity that is simply not true according to your own denomination?

To Jehovah's Witnesses - what beliefs do other denominations hold that is simply not true according to your own denomination?

[2timothy316]

Indeed. People seem to think that since there is not a global war happening things must be going pretty good.

This seems to be the JW argument for believing that prior to WW1 war was negligible. Yet in every century wars have raged. The importance of WW1 is that new technology was used and world communication systems were better, so more people were involved.

Yes war has raged in every century but never on a global scale where all the countries were effected. Government leaders called it 'the great war' and 'the war to end all wars'. Just explaining why more were involved doesn't take away the fact it was a milestone in mankind's history. The after effects of the WWI were also felt world wide in famine and disease. Look up the Spanish Flu and note the year and number of deaths. The world has never seen such death from war, disease and famine in only 5 years time. Tens of millions! Show me any time in history were so many die world wide prior with that many deaths from all 3 things directly caused by man.


Did you know that even your attitude towards the last days was predicted? 2 Peter 3:4 "They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."

[Justin108]

Did you know that even your attitude towards the last days was predicted? 2 Peter 3:4 "They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."

Not what I would call impressive. If I made a prediction that "I am a powerful wizard but many will doubt my power", would the prediction of "many will doubt my power" convince you that I am in fact a powerful wizard? Obviously people will doubt my power. Making a prediction that people will be skeptical of your radical claims is not what I would call an impressive prediction. This is a fail-safe trick designed to fool the gullible. It seems to have worked quite well on you

[2timothy316]

Did you know that even your attitude towards the last days was predicted? 2 Peter 3:4 "They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."

Not what I would call impressive. If I made a prediction that "I am a powerful wizard but many will doubt my power", would the prediction of "many will doubt my power" convince you that I am in fact a powerful wizard? Obviously people will doubt my power. Making a prediction that people will be skeptical of your radical claims is not what I would call an impressive prediction. This is a fail-safe trick designed to fool the gullible. It seems to have worked quite well on you

Or it's true and the tricked and 'gullible' one is you. Some of the other things that tricked and gullible people of the last days would be is pretentious, senseless, faithless, pitiless, vicious, inventors of vices and proud. (Romans 1:25-32). You just keep building my faith by confirming the Bible true. Thanks!

The problem with your 'wizard' story is that unlike your wizard story there is verifiable data in the way of facts that the events and the reports of such events foretold in Matthew 24:7-14 did increase in the past century. That's all there is to it. Facts don't lie but your wizard is lying. It's not just one of these things foretold but all of them at the same time, that's the fact that so many ignore. There have been increases in war or earthquakes or famine or sickness individually. But never in human history have all of these things increased within a 100 year time period. Your acceptance or not doesn't change the facts.

[Justin108]

Or it's true

2 Peter 3:4 is true. My point isn't that 2 Peter 3:4 is wrong, my point is that his prediction is self-evident and obvious and therefore not at all impressive. 2 Peter 3:4 predicted that people will have doubts. People will obviously have doubts so 2 Peter 3:4's prediction is an obvious prediction.

and the tricked and 'gullible' one is you

Gullible of what exactly?

Some of the other things that tricked and gullible people of the last days would be is pretentious, senseless, faithless, pitiless, vicious, inventors of vices and proud.

You keep using that word but I'm not sure you know what it means

The problem with your 'wizard' story is that unlike your wizard story there is verifiable data in the way of facts that the events and the reports of such events foretold in Matthew 24:7-14 did increase in the past century.

You're missing my point completely. The whole point of my wizard story is to demonstrate that predicting that "people will have doubts" and then using that prediction as supporting evidence is senseless because people having doubts is an inevitability. Predicting that "people will have doubts" is about as impressive as predicting that birds will fly tomorrow.

There have been increases in war or earthquakes or famine or sickness individually. But never in human history all at the same time.

Can you support this claim?

[rikuoamero]

Did you know that even your attitude towards the last days was predicted? 2 Peter 3:4 "They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."

Not what I would call impressive. If I made a prediction that "I am a powerful wizard but many will doubt my power", would the prediction of "many will doubt my power" convince you that I am in fact a powerful wizard? Obviously people will doubt my power. Making a prediction that people will be skeptical of your radical claims is not what I would call an impressive prediction. This is a fail-safe trick designed to fool the gullible. It seems to have worked quite well on you

Or it's true and the tricked and 'gullible' one is you. Some of the other things that tricked and gullible people of the last days would be is pretentious, senseless, faithless, pitiless, vicious, inventors of vices and proud. (Romans 1:25-32). You just keep building my faith by confirming the Bible true. Thanks!

The problem with your 'wizard' story is that unlike your wizard story there is verifiable data in the way of facts that the events and the reports of such events foretold in Matthew 24:7-14 did increase in the past century. That's all there is to it. Facts don't lie but your wizard is lying. It's not just one of these things foretold but all of them at the same time, that's the fact that so many ignore. There have been increases in war or earthquakes or famine or sickness individually. But never in human history have all of these things increased within a 100 year time period. Your acceptance or not doesn't change the facts.

Can you show, through an application of logic, that Justin's claim to be a powerful wizard is in fact untrue?
I'm sorry 2timothy but if I apply the logic that you promote, I HAVE to believe Justin when he says he's a powerful wizard. You don't believe him, just as he predicted therefore he HAS to be a powerful wizard!

[rikuoamero]

Did you know that even your attitude towards the last days was predicted? 2 Peter 3:4 "They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."

Not what I would call impressive. If I made a prediction that "I am a powerful wizard but many will doubt my power", would the prediction of "many will doubt my power" convince you that I am in fact a powerful wizard? Obviously people will doubt my power. Making a prediction that people will be skeptical of your radical claims is not what I would call an impressive prediction. This is a fail-safe trick designed to fool the gullible. It seems to have worked quite well on you

Or it's true and the tricked and 'gullible' one is you. Some of the other things that tricked and gullible people of the last days would be is pretentious, senseless, faithless, pitiless, vicious, inventors of vices and proud. (Romans 1:25-32). You just keep building my faith by confirming the Bible true. Thanks!

The problem with your 'wizard' story is that unlike your wizard story there is verifiable data in the way of facts that the events and the reports of such events foretold in Matthew 24:7-14 did increase in the past century. That's all there is to it. Facts don't lie but your wizard is lying. It's not just one of these things foretold but all of them at the same time, that's the fact that so many ignore. There have been increases in war or earthquakes or famine or sickness individually. But never in human history have all of these things increased within a 100 year time period. Your acceptance or not doesn't change the facts.

For your consideration, I have started a new topic here
viewtopic.php?p=864452#864452

[2timothy316]

[Replying to post 75 by rikuoamero]

Just do some research on natural disasters in the past 100 years as well as famine, disease and spread of war (not casualties of war). Its all there. Here is a couple to get you started.

Worldwide displacement hits all-time high as war and persecution increase
One in every 122 humans is now either a refugee, internally displaced, or seeking asylum.

http://www.unhcr.org/en-us/news/latest/ ... rease.html

Natural disasters are on the rise.

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 77 by 2timothy316]

Just wondering, are you going to post that in the thread I started, and linked to in post #76?
Also, why are you asking ME to go looking for evidence? The onus is upon yourself for having made the claim.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to post 77 by 2timothy316]

Just wondering, are you going to post that in the thread I started, and linked to in post #76?
Also, why are you asking ME to go looking for evidence? The onus is upon yourself for having made the claim.

I did post on that thread. Also, I work for myself and researched for myself so that I can prove it to myself. If you are not interested enough to want to prove it to yourself then why should I be interested in proving anything to you? Perhaps if you paid me I'd work for you. Otherwise, I guess you're saying your done here. I inform not convince.

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 77 by 2timothy316]

Just wondering, are you going to post that in the thread I started, and linked to in post #76?
Also, why are you asking ME to go looking for evidence? The onus is upon yourself for having made the claim.

I did post on that thread. Also, I work for myself and researched for myself so that I can prove it to myself. If you are not interested enough to want to prove it to yourself then why should I be interested in proving anything to you? Perhaps if you paid me I'd work for you. Otherwise, I guess you're saying your done here. I inform not convince.

Yes, I see that now. I checked after I posted my last reply here.