Jehovah's Witnesses vs. other Christians

[Justin108]

To non-Jehovah's Witnesses - what do Jehovah's Witnesses believe about Christianity that is simply not true according to your own denomination?

To Jehovah's Witnesses - what beliefs do other denominations hold that is simply not true according to your own denomination?

[2timothy316]

[Replying to 2timothy316]

"Yes seriously. Do you think the articles are lies? I never got an answer. Are you familiar with a 'straw man argument'?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
You arguing a question that I didn't ask. I want to know if you think the articles are lies."



The articles you presented do not lie. Yes the life expectancy of the USA has decreased.

Thanks for answering.

[alexxcJRO]

[Replying to 2timothy316]

I had the courtesy to answer your question. Now please show me the same courtesy and answer mine:

Q: Is the life expectancy of the world increasing? (Yes/No question)

[onewithhim]

No one said that WWI was a bigger deal than WWII. WWI was the BEGINNING of peace being taken away from the earth. It got worse from there.

Yes,nit got worse from there, if you mean WWII. But since then it has gotten better. Yes, there has been numerous proxy wars and civil wars, but never has any major power gone to war directly with another major power since 1945. Your chances of being killed deliberately by another human is lower now than it has ever been.

I would disagree. The world has more power to destroy now than ever before. We haven't had another World War because the nations know that if we do, no one will win. We have nuclear power so great that it could destroy the earth 10 times over.


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[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 60 by alexxcJRO]

Every chart I looked at so far will agree with your assertion that world life expectancy is rising, or, has risen in the last 500 years. The question to scrutinize, however, is What was life expectancy BEFORE THE 1500s? No chart and no info goes back before then, and concentrates mostly on the 1700s and 1800s as a starting point for keeping track of life expectancy. What is the reason that life expectancy went down around the 1500s?

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[2timothy316]

No one said that WWI was a bigger deal than WWII. WWI was the BEGINNING of peace being taken away from the earth. It got worse from there.

Yes,nit got worse from there, if you mean WWII. But since then it has gotten better. Yes, there has been numerous proxy wars and civil wars, but never has any major power gone to war directly with another major power since 1945. Your chances of being killed deliberately by another human is lower now than it has ever been.

I would disagree. The world has more power to destroy now than ever before. We haven't had another World War because the nations know that if we do, no one will win. We have nuclear power so great that it could destroy the earth 10 times over.


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Indeed. People seem to think that since there is not a global war happening things must be going pretty good.

According to the stats the US has killed 20 million people since WWII. Some think genocide is no longer a threat. Yet since WWII millions have died from genocide. In Africa it is running almost uncontested. While Europe has had an good stretch of peace in war, in protest and terrorism it has risen dramatically. Africa and the Middle East are surging in violence. I read on the news where there was a brawl that broke out at an airport just because the flights were cancelled. Gun related road rage is on the rise. There doesn't seem to be such a thing as a 'peaceful' protest any more. Violence is not just about war between countries.

Fact of note: Terrorism (which is just another term for mass murder) has jumped 650% in one year in developed countries. While globally the death count is down the global spread of terrorism is up.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/16/world/glo ... sm-report/

[alexxcJRO]

[Replying to onewithhim]

"Every chart I looked at so far will agree with your assertion that world life expectancy is rising, or, has risen in the last 500 years. The question to scrutinize, however, is What was life expectancy BEFORE THE 1500s? No chart and no info goes back before then, and concentrates mostly on the 1700s and 1800s as a starting point for keeping track of life expectancy. What is the reason that life expectancy went down around the 1500s?"


The debate started when marco said that the life expectancy in the 21th century steadly rised on a global scale.
It is still rising today.

Q:What is the 1500s and bellow relevant to our debate? I don't follow.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim]

"Every chart I looked at so far will agree with your assertion that world life expectancy is rising, or, has risen in the last 500 years. The question to scrutinize, however, is What was life expectancy BEFORE THE 1500s? No chart and no info goes back before then, and concentrates mostly on the 1700s and 1800s as a starting point for keeping track of life expectancy. What is the reason that life expectancy went down around the 1500s?"


The debate started when marco said that the life expectancy in the 21th century steadly rised on a global scale.
It is still rising today.

Q:What is the 1500s and bellow relevant to our debate? I don't follow.

Didn't you say that the world life expectancy has risen? My question is: FROM WHAT POINT? It is easy to accept that life expectancy has risen from the 17th century because life was much tougher then and probably caused life expectancy to be very low. We have since discovered how diseases are caused and how to prevent them, etc. But what happened back before anybody started taking notice of the severity of life? The earliest record I've seen so far is from the 1500s. Was life expectancy longer previous to this? If so, what caused its decline to where people lived not much longer than 30 or 40 years? It is relevant to the debate, because marco was disagreeing with the idea that the lives of people in the world are in unprecedented danger.

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[marco]

Every chart I looked at so far will agree with your assertion that world life expectancy is rising, or, has risen in the last 500 years.

And that will suffice. The printing press came into operation in the 15th century and so information was more readily available in written form after that.

The magnificent longevity of Methuselah and others must have been down to climate change or something special in the ambrosia they ate. In the real world, people enjoy the benefits of health care and some previously lethal diseases have been eradicated. Ergo longer life-spans.

[marco]

Indeed. People seem to think that since there is not a global war happening things must be going pretty good.

This seems to be the JW argument for believing that prior to WW1 war was negligible. Yet in every century wars have raged. The importance of WW1 is that new technology was used and world communication systems were better, so more people were involved.

[alexxcJRO]

[Replying to post 67 by onewithhim]

"Didn't you say that the world life expectancy has risen? My question is: FROM WHAT POINT? It is easy to accept that life expectancy has risen from the 17th century because life was much tougher then and probably caused life expectancy to be very low. We have since discovered how diseases are caused and how to prevent them, etc. But what happened back before anybody started taking notice of the severity of life? The earliest record I've seen so far is from the 1500s. Was life expectancy longer previous to this? If so, what caused its decline to where people lived not much longer than 30 or 40 years? It is relevant to the debate, because marco was disagreeing with the idea that the lives of people in the world are in unprecedented danger. "

Q: Why is this so hard?!!!!

My point was about the rise of the world life expectancy in the 20th and 21th centuries not the previous centuries.

Q: So why are you so keen in trying to derail from my original point of discussion?

Q: Why are you trying so hard to construct this straw man?

Please stop. Your making yourself look desperate.