How can Lucifer be a fallen angel?

[Yahu]

Lucifer is only referenced once in scripture. It isn't even a name in the original hebrew. Lucifer is Latin from the Latin translation into our modern canon.

The actual passage calls him 'Heylel ben Shachar' which is translated 'Lucifer, son of the morning'. How can he be a fallen angel if he is not 'ben Elohyim' but 'ben Shachar'? I guess people don't know that Shachar was a Canaanite deity that was himself an 'ben El' according to the Canaanites.

Now Heylel (Lucifer) isn't even a name. It is a descriptive title. It means 'light bringer' or 'shining one' and is a common epitaph for a sungod. For example the same thing in Greek is Pheobus, ie 'bright'. Pheobus is a title of Apollo and Apollo means 'the destroyer' in Greek.

Now since Lucifer is from the Latin translation, it is interesting to note that the goddess Diana was Diana Luciferah as well in the Latin, ie the feminine form of Lucifer who was the twin sister of Apollo.

Most christian doctrine assumes that the serpent in the garden was Lucifer yet no where in scripture is this even speculated. Satan doesn't even appear in scripture until the time of Job, well after the flood.

Now if we assume that Shachar actually was an angel that had children then Lucifer at most is the son of a fallen angel who would have been born on earth, lived then died. How can he be anything more then just a ghost?

The passage of Isa 14 talks of Lucifer as a shameful ruler that destroys, then dies, is eaten by worms, descends into sheol where kings in sheol say 'Is this the MAN?'

So how is Lucifer a man?

[Yahu]

[Replying to Yahu]

right , I didn't read the whole thread, just jumped in here. thanks for the info very interesting.

The jist of what I have presented in this thread is the concepts that modern Christianities common concepts of who/what Lucifer is isn't based on scripture but on doctrine presented by Augustine, accepted by the RCC as fact and spread into Christian mythology that Lucifer was the greatest of angels, rebelling with 1/3 of the angels, caused the fall of man in Eden.

That doctrine is not presented in scripture but is commonly held myth that people think is supported by scripture. They bias their interpretation of scripture to match their pre-determined concepts.

I presented an alternate based on many more scriptures that are totally ignored by those following standard myths. I go on to show how scripture and references to the pagan gods in scripture show the pagan sungod as being in direct rivalry with Yah as well as his worship called 'debasing thyself unto Sheol/hell'. That pagan sungod was the winged child of another pagan deity so not a fallen angel but the ghost of a dead half-breed. His wings were taken by Yah. He had the heart of a man. He lived, died, descended into the realm of the dead and now rules from that realm and took over his father's position as Satan, the prosecutor in the heavenly court. He only has authority on the earth because of his human heritage because dominion on earth is given to man, not fallen angels.

The ancient paganism was direct worship of Lucifer (Apollo) and members of his family, ie Molech worship was direct Satan worship. That makes the 'Jezebel Spirit' also in conflict with Christianity his twin sister and 2nd ranked principality who was worshiped as Ashtoreth/Artemis/Diana Luciferah/'The queen of heaven'... Who both lived during the time of Babel and were worshiped as gods/goddesses while Nimrod was worshiped as Baal (prince) after his death because he was also nephilim via his mother Ashtoreth, the nephew of 'Lucifer', who is the anti-christ spirit. Those three make up the unholy trinity.

We also have scripture that declares fallen angles pre-flood in prison in Tartarus, the lowest hell and four more angels in prison from a different event bound at the Euphrates, at the location of Babel. Babel was the source of that ancient paganism. That would make those four angels who the Greeks called Zeus, Poseidon, Hades and Hera who get let back out during the tribulation.

These concepts directly tie the ancient paganism to the worship of fallen angels and their physical offspring who displaced them when their angelic parents were imprisoned for their actions.

IMO Lucifer is just the ghost of a dead half-breed nephilim but is the one of greatest authority in the realm of the dead outside of the heavenly realm. But as the father of lies, even most of Christianity believes him greater then he actually is.