Who said Jesus was God?

[marco]

Many folk think that the man from Nazareth who panicked before his execution was God. The stuff happened 2000 years ago and time seems to add truth. If somebody stepped from a bus and declared he was from God, or that he was in fact God, what would it take to move doubt into certainty? Would changing a glass of water into beer do the trick? If something is an absurdity NOW, why does it become a possibility in the past?

What convinces you Jesus is God .. or is not God?

If he's not God, what persuades you he is God's messenger?

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 1 by marco]

If Jesus was God, then he wouldn't even need a voice from the sky to say "this is God". If Jesus was God, he could have said so himself, but he didn't. Neither did the voice from the sky proclaim that Jesus was God.

It was, and is, only men who said Jesus was God. Likely none of the people who knew him, and none of his contemporaries.

[marco]

This is bit like 'kicking a can up and down a road', marco.

Perhaps that is a little better than kicking the cat. There was much to be said in boyhood for kicking a can; the thoughts that accompanied our indolence might well have been the foundations of future worthwhile occupations.

We may not have new thoughts on the mythology of Christ and Yahweh but we can clothe old thoughts in nice new language. And our hope is that from somewhere, Africa perhaps from where the Romans said there was always something new, we might extract truth rather than weak apologias.

Kicking Christ rather than a can might seem cruel but one would suppose that the Good Shepherd never leaves his sheep short of inspirational bleats. He will be with them all days until the clouds transport him back to our planet. So in a way one is conversing with Christ through the agency of his scattered flock. I detect no miracles.
So far.

[Thomas123]

You will get nowhere with a pseudo analysis of the Christ.
This creation is an easy target, much easier to kick a can than a cat.
Imagine if I concentrated on parodying , Simba!
Can or cat?

[1213]

Where does Jesus claim to be the Messiah, given he only claimed to be a prophet .

Here is one example:

The woman said to him, "I know that Messiah comes," (he who is called Christ). "When he has come, he will declare to us all things." Jesus said to her, "I am he, the one who speaks to you."
John 4:25-26

[marco]

Where does Jesus claim to be the Messiah, given he only claimed to be a prophet .

Here is one example:

The woman said to him, "I know that Messiah comes," (he who is called Christ). "When he has come, he will declare to us all things." Jesus said to her, "I am he, the one who speaks to you."
John 4:25-26

Yes this sounds so convincing. "Excuse me ma'am, I'm the Messiah." I wonder what "he will declare ALL things" means. Would he mention the Theory of Relativity?

The wording of Christ's reply, at least in English, makes him sound like someone half-witted. He might as well have said, "I'm the man with two feet." I think this certainly disqualifies him from deification but if this is the stuff of Messiahs we can get on better without them.

[marco]

[Replying to post 1 by marco]

If Jesus was God, then he wouldn't even need a voice from the sky to say "this is God". If Jesus was God, he could have said so himself, but he didn't. Neither did the voice from the sky proclaim that Jesus was God.

It was, and is, only men who said Jesus was God. Likely none of the people who knew him, and none of his contemporaries.

One possibility is that, among his many talents, was expertise in ventriloquism. Or perhaps Pilate happened to say: "My God you say the oddest things" when Christ spoke of his defence counsel being choirs of angels. It would have been interesting to hear the views of a sane contemporary.