Non-Circular reasons for believing in the Bible.

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Non-Circular reasons for believing in the Bible.

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I often see people quote Bible verses about scripture when asked why they believe in the Bible. Of course arguing that the Bible is true because the Bible says it is true is circular. Are there any non-circular reasons for believing in the Bible?

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Theodore A. Jones wrote: Well there is a way for escaping, but you gotta have the faith to use it.
We were asking for non-circular reasons to believe the message in the Bible. If you first believe the Bible by faith, then it will be true, is about as circular as it gets.
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McCulloch wrote:
Theodore A. Jones wrote: Well there is a way for escaping, but you gotta have the faith to use it.
We were asking for non-circular reasons to believe the message in the Bible. If you first believe the Bible by faith, then it will be true, is about as circular as it gets.
Are ya gonna die? Yes or No? Nothing circular about that is it?

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Theodore A. Jones wrote:
McCulloch wrote:
Theodore A. Jones wrote: Well there is a way for escaping, but you gotta have the faith to use it.
We were asking for non-circular reasons to believe the message in the Bible. If you first believe the Bible by faith, then it will be true, is about as circular as it gets.
Are ya gonna die? Yes or No? Nothing circular about that is it?
I was dead for billions of years and it didn't seem to bother me at all so when I'm dead again I suspect I'll tolerate it.
Religion is poison because it asks us to give up our most precious faculty, which is that of reason, and to believe things without evidence. It then asks us to respect this, which it calls faith. - Christopher Hitchens

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I think it actually does the Bible an injustice to read it as literally true. People find themselves in the position of either accepting it or rejecting it. I think that's a shame.

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Peter wrote:
Theodore A. Jones wrote:
McCulloch wrote:
Theodore A. Jones wrote: Well there is a way for escaping, but you gotta have the faith to use it.
We were asking for non-circular reasons to believe the message in the Bible. If you first believe the Bible by faith, then it will be true, is about as circular as it gets.
Are ya gonna die? Yes or No? Nothing circular about that is it?
I was dead for billions of years and it didn't seem to bother me at all so when I'm dead again I suspect I'll tolerate it.
Good. "From dust you came to dust you shall return".

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Theodore A. Jones wrote:
Peter wrote:
Theodore A. Jones wrote:
McCulloch wrote:
Theodore A. Jones wrote: Well there is a way for escaping, but you gotta have the faith to use it.
We were asking for non-circular reasons to believe the message in the Bible. If you first believe the Bible by faith, then it will be true, is about as circular as it gets.
Are ya gonna die? Yes or No? Nothing circular about that is it?
I was dead for billions of years and it didn't seem to bother me at all so when I'm dead again I suspect I'll tolerate it.
Good. "From dust you came to dust you shall return".
Yes I expect so. Do you actually have a point you wish to make? :confused2:
Religion is poison because it asks us to give up our most precious faculty, which is that of reason, and to believe things without evidence. It then asks us to respect this, which it calls faith. - Christopher Hitchens

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[Replying to post 156 by Peter]

"From dust you came and dust you shall return" True point?

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Theodore A. Jones wrote: [Replying to post 156 by Peter]

"From dust you came and dust you shall return" True point?

More like to dirt.. depends on how moist. This was true for all time , long time before there was civilization or formalized religion.

Do you have a point?
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Theodore A. Jones wrote: [Replying to post 145 by Ooberman]



Stay dead then. Liner progress is into the dirt isn't it?
Sure, but you said you have a remedy. Will you personally back it up? Will you promise it works?
Thinking about God's opinions and thinking about your own opinions uses an identical thought process. - Tomas Rees

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