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Bro Dave has put forward theBro Dave wrote:Yes, there is the eye witness account [to Jesus' resurrection] given in the Urantia Book.
Book as eyewitness testimony to support the allegation that Jesus was raised from the dead. Is the Urantia Book a reliable source of information? Does it meet the criterion used by historians or scientists or theologians?Hold on Bro, just one small nugget here.Jesus' rising from the dead, was simply a demonstration that he could overcome death, even his own.
Hey, that's what I wanted to know. So I started a topic Questioning the crucifixion. Why not go and resurrect itScrotum wrote:Hold on Bro, just one small nugget here.Jesus' rising from the dead, was simply a demonstration that he could overcome death, even his own.
Jesus is suppose to be God according to you guys. Death is nothing relevant to God. He created Death because of our sins. He has nothing to do with it.
So how could he die at all? And if he chose to kill himself using human flesh, their is no sacrifice, miracle or anything, because he just had some fun. As He is untouchable. Perhaps you are flexible with your view eh? When they suit you, its ok, when their not, you ignore it..... jao jao.
Bro Dave wrote:Jesus' rising from the dead, was simply a demonstration that he could overcome death, even his own.
I think that you will find that the Urantia Book differs significantly from traditional Christian theology.Scrotum wrote:Hold on Bro, just one small nugget here.
Jesus is suppose to be God according to you guys. Death is nothing relevant to God. He created Death because of our sins. He has nothing to do with it.
So how could he die at all? And if he chose to kill himself using human flesh, their is no sacrifice, miracle or anything, because he just had some fun. As He is untouchable. Perhaps you are flexible with your view eh? When they suit you, its ok, when their not, you ignore it..... jao jao.
Well, if by "you guys", you are referring to Christians, they would not include me in their religion. Jesus is indeed our Creator, but not the second person of Deity as understood by Christianity. You are however correct in saying that death held no control over Jesus. He was simply demonstrating that there should be no fear of death for those who choose life.Scrotum wrote:Hold on Bro, just one small nugget here.Jesus' rising from the dead, was simply a demonstration that he could overcome death, even his own.
Jesus is suppose to be God according to you guys. Death is nothing relevant to God. He created Death because of our sins. He has nothing to do with it.
Jesus came here as the last step in a process whereby he would assume total control over his Universe by becoming a Master Son. The ugly death thingy was just something that the ignorant folks here added on. He actually had accomplished everything required for that task when John did his ritual baptism. God asked him to finish the rest of his mortal life by experiencing all that we experience, including mortal death. Since Jesus is the mortal part of this God/man, the divine part of him did, of course not die. He simply allowed his human shell to return to dust. And before you ask, no, his physical body did not resurrect, he did what we will do also, and move into what is referred to as a Morantia body, made of a less dense material, which can still be made visible to us.So how could he die at all? And if he chose to kill himself using human flesh, their is no sacrifice, miracle or anything, because he just had some fun. As He is untouchable. Perhaps you are flexible with your view eh? When they suit you, its ok, when their not, you ignore it..... jao jao.
At the risk of be "crucified", may I suggest you read my reply to "Scrotum".QED wrote:Hey, that's what I wanted to know. So I started a topic Questioning the crucifixion. Why not go and resurrect itScrotum wrote:Hold on Bro, just one small nugget here.Jesus' rising from the dead, was simply a demonstration that he could overcome death, even his own.
Jesus is suppose to be God according to you guys. Death is nothing relevant to God. He created Death because of our sins. He has nothing to do with it.
So how could he die at all? And if he chose to kill himself using human flesh, their is no sacrifice, miracle or anything, because he just had some fun. As He is untouchable. Perhaps you are flexible with your view eh? When they suit you, its ok, when their not, you ignore it..... jao jao.
LOL! Do Ya THINK?McCulloch wrote:I think that you will find that the Urantia Book differs significantly from traditional Christian theology.
That is why we needed yet another "revelation". We took Jesus' message to "Love one another", and ignored the magnificent model he offered us on how to live well, and instead of following the religion he practiced, went ahead and created a religion about him instead! 
You made me even more confused now, but sure, il follow this line of thought, just some small things i wish to ask/comment about it.Well, if by "you guys", you are referring to Christians, they would not include me in their religion. Jesus is indeed our Creator, but not the second person of Deity as understood by Christianity. You are however correct in saying that death held no control over Jesus. He was simply demonstrating that there should be no fear of death for those who choose life.
We took Jesus' message to "Love one another", and ignored the magnificent model he offered us on how to live well, and instead of following the religion he practiced, went ahead and created a religion about him instead!
The Urantia Book, first published by the Urantia Foundation in 1955, was authored by celestial beings as a special revelation to our planet, Urantia.
Even though supposedly "there are no atheists in foxholes", Im pleased to hear that you do not live in fear. Fear is a poor reason indeed to grasp for religion.Scrotum wrote:You made me even more confused now, but sure, il follow this line of thought, just some small things i wish to ask/comment about it.Well, if by "you guys", you are referring to Christians, they would not include me in their religion. Jesus is indeed our Creator, but not the second person of Deity as understood by Christianity. You are however correct in saying that death held no control over Jesus. He was simply demonstrating that there should be no fear of death for those who choose life.
If his death was to demonstrate that death is nothing to fear, tell me, i am an atheist, and i do not fear death, and never feared death, its a natural occurance that you can not prevent. I clearly did not need your religion (whichever it was) to understand this, what is the difference from me? Am i Special?
I could not agree more! Just watch the frenze that accompanies the passing of a loved one, tell you there is more lip service to their religion than deep conviction.Also, i can guarantee you that the majority of religious people (Christians lets say) fear death like the plauge... No pun inteded. I would say they ARE religious because of their fear of death, but that is another topic.
Sure! It proves my contention that folks who are atheists, are usually so by conscious choice. They actually engaged their brain in the process of deciding what is reasonable. That you have come to a different conclusion than I, bothers me less than those who inherit their beliefs without question.In any case, about that point, then the entire thing failed, because the still fear death, and if you would look at the majority of atheist (as a group), i can almost guarantee you that most of them are far more relaxed about facing their destiny compared to the religious counterparts... Is this not something to consider Mr Bro ?
