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"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this." -- Albert Einstein -- Written in 1954 to Jewish philosopher Erik Gutkind.
I'm proud as I can be of ya on the first'n, and shamed of myself on that last'n.liamconnor wrote: I foresee a problem with fundamentalist Christians who are not educated in Ancient Near Eastern literature and genres.
I foresee another problem in skeptics who think fundamentalists represent Christianity.
Yes this article did make interesting reading:benchwarmer wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Tired of the Nonsense]
Here's a fun article to chew on. Four physics graduate students crunched the numbers and even published a paper.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-n ... 85/?no-ist
Here are some more interesting articles "to chew on"Would the ark have floated?
Thats what four physics graduate students at the University of Leicester wondered. As part of a special course that encourages the students to apply basic physics principles to more general questions, the team did the math and found that an ark full of animals in those dimensions could theoretically float. They recently published their research in a peer-reviewed, student-run publication, the Journal of Physics Special Topics.
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"... we were quite surprised when we discovered it would work, said Thomas Morris, one of the students who worked on the project, in a statement.
To float, a boat has to exert the same amount of force on the ocean as the weight of the water it displaces. This buoyancy force is essentially the biggest weight the ark could hold and not sink. To put it another way, an object with a density greater than water will sink. So if the Bible gives an approximate volume of the ark, and after factoring in the mass of the wood used to build it, one could figure out how much mass the system could take before it becomes more dense than water and sinks. [...] In their study, students decided on an average length for their calculations: 48.2 centimeters. This means that, by their approximations, the ark would have been 144.6 meters long, 24.1 meters wide, and 14.46 meters tall"the size of a very small cargo ship. They went with cypress wood, though pine and cedar wood have similar densities. Using the density of cypress, they calculated the weight of this hypothetical ark: 1,200,000 kilograms (by comparison the Titanic weighed about 53,000,000 kilograms). Based on the density of sea water, they figured out that an empty box-shaped ark would float with it's hull only dipping 0.34 meters into the water.
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http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-n ... 85/?no-ist
I submit that we have a rightful think, to think that both creationconcepts.org and answersingenesis.org will present their data in light of a Christian perspective, and that where folks think dead folks rise, well how 'bout that.JehovahsWitness wrote:Yes this article did make interesting reading:benchwarmer wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Tired of the Nonsense]
Here's a fun article to chew on. Four physics graduate students crunched the numbers and even published a paper.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-n ... 85/?no-ist
Here are some more interesting articles "to chew on"Would the ark have floated?
Thats what four physics graduate students at the University of Leicester wondered. As part of a special course that encourages the students to apply basic physics principles to more general questions, the team did the math and found that an ark full of animals in those dimensions could theoretically float. They recently published their research in a peer-reviewed, student-run publication, the Journal of Physics Special Topics.
...
"... we were quite surprised when we discovered it would work, said Thomas Morris, one of the students who worked on the project, in a statement.
To float, a boat has to exert the same amount of force on the ocean as the weight of the water it displaces. This buoyancy force is essentially the biggest weight the ark could hold and not sink. To put it another way, an object with a density greater than water will sink. So if the Bible gives an approximate volume of the ark, and after factoring in the mass of the wood used to build it, one could figure out how much mass the system could take before it becomes more dense than water and sinks. [...] In their study, students decided on an average length for their calculations: 48.2 centimeters. This means that, by their approximations, the ark would have been 144.6 meters long, 24.1 meters wide, and 14.46 meters tall"the size of a very small cargo ship. They went with cypress wood, though pine and cedar wood have similar densities. Using the density of cypress, they calculated the weight of this hypothetical ark: 1,200,000 kilograms (by comparison the Titanic weighed about 53,000,000 kilograms). Based on the density of sea water, they figured out that an empty box-shaped ark would float with it's hull only dipping 0.34 meters into the water.
source
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-n ... 85/?no-ist
Feasibility Studies.
http://www.creationconcepts.org/resources/ARK.pdf
https://answersingenesis.org/noahs-ark/ ... -a-seaway/
JehovahsWitness wrote:Yes this article did make interesting reading:benchwarmer wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Tired of the Nonsense]
Here's a fun article to chew on. Four physics graduate students crunched the numbers and even published a paper.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-n ... 85/?no-ist
Here are some more interesting articles "to chew on"Would the ark have floated?
Thats what four physics graduate students at the University of Leicester wondered. As part of a special course that encourages the students to apply basic physics principles to more general questions, the team did the math and found that an ark full of animals in those dimensions could theoretically float. They recently published their research in a peer-reviewed, student-run publication, the Journal of Physics Special Topics.
...
"... we were quite surprised when we discovered it would work, said Thomas Morris, one of the students who worked on the project, in a statement.
To float, a boat has to exert the same amount of force on the ocean as the weight of the water it displaces. This buoyancy force is essentially the biggest weight the ark could hold and not sink. To put it another way, an object with a density greater than water will sink. So if the Bible gives an approximate volume of the ark, and after factoring in the mass of the wood used to build it, one could figure out how much mass the system could take before it becomes more dense than water and sinks. [...] In their study, students decided on an average length for their calculations: 48.2 centimeters. This means that, by their approximations, the ark would have been 144.6 meters long, 24.1 meters wide, and 14.46 meters tall"the size of a very small cargo ship. They went with cypress wood, though pine and cedar wood have similar densities. Using the density of cypress, they calculated the weight of this hypothetical ark: 1,200,000 kilograms (by comparison the Titanic weighed about 53,000,000 kilograms). Based on the density of sea water, they figured out that an empty box-shaped ark would float with it's hull only dipping 0.34 meters into the water.
source
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-n ... 85/?no-ist
Feasibility Studies.
http://www.creationconcepts.org/resources/ARK.pdf
https://answersingenesis.org/noahs-ark/ ... -a-seaway/
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this." -- Albert Einstein -- Written in 1954 to Jewish philosopher Erik Gutkind.theStudent wrote:But even if this was the exact size of Noah's, if God told him to build it that size, it would have been able to hold what God had in mind to put into it, because God is no fool, nor is he like man, with so little knowledge and understanding.
Thanks JW, those were also an interesting read.Here are some more interesting articles "to chew on"
Feasibility Studies.
http://www.creationconcepts.org/resources/ARK.pdf
https://answersingenesis.org/noahs-ark/ ... rk-in-a-se...
And that is just one kind of dinosaur. If I understand the wiki page correctly there are at least 5 'kinds' or clades.The tallest and heaviest dinosaur known from good skeletons is Giraffatitan brancai (previously classified as a species of Brachiosaurus). Its remains were discovered in Tanzania between 1907 and 1912. Bones from several similar-sized individuals were incorporated into the skeleton now mounted and on display at the Museum fr Naturkunde Berlin;[68] this mount is 12 meters (39 ft) tall and 21.8"22.5 meters (72"74 ft) long,[69][70] and would have belonged to an animal that weighed between 30000 and 60000 kilograms (70000 and 130000 lb).
Moderator CommenttheStudent wrote: See.
Right there there is an example of how much you know about the Bible.
Did you ever read it?
benchwarmer, what you have to understand is that answersingenesis say quite clearly on their website that any evidence presented that does NOT agree with their predetermined narrative, they toss right out the window and ignore. Look for their Statement of Faith, it's the last point, right at the bottom.So it seems feasible that an ark as described in the Bible could float, carry a reasonable amount of cargo, and maybe even be stable enough to survive normal seas.
Granted, they understand physics...but I'd go with actual ship engineers over just graduated students who have no real hands on experience. Actual ship engineers, people with experience in the field of constructing ships, have weighed in before on this topic and said that no, an ark like the one described in the Bible would not be seaworthy.As part of a special course that encourages the students to apply basic physics principles to more general questions, the team did the math and found that an ark full of animals in those dimensions could theoretically float.
Might as well quote that.. it's wonderful:rikuoamero wrote: benchwarmer, what you have to understand is that answersingenesis say quite clearly on their website that any evidence presented that does NOT agree with their predetermined narrative, they toss right out the window and ignore. Look for their Statement of Faith, it's the last point, right at the bottom.
