Noah's Ark Replica

[Tired of the Nonsense]

Johan's Ark: Noah's Ark Replica Crashes Into Moored Norwegian Coast Guard Vessel, Officials Say
The crash occurred in Oslo, Norway, Friday. A military patrol boat and the 230-foot long replica created by Dutch carpenter Johan Huibers, who reportedly used the Bible's measurements, were damaged.




Two of every species of animal in the entire world and all of the food necessary to feed and maintain them all for months was going to fit into that? REALLY?

Does anyone foresee any problems here?

[Tired of the Nonsense]

That boat don't float
"Gallo"

In 1909 the schooner Wyoming was launched from the Percy & Small shipyard in Bath, Maine. She was state-of-the art in wooden hulled shipbuilding. She was a six masted schooner and, at 329 ft., the longest ship with an all wood keel and hull ever built. She was the last of nine wooden hulled, six-masted schooners built between 1900 and 1909, and one of seven built by Percy & Small. All were 300 ft. or more in length. They were all state-of-the art.

The Wyoming had 90 steel crossbraces. Even while she was yet on the drawing boards the marine engineers who designed and built her knew from experience with shorter ships that the length of the Wyoming would exceed the structural limits of wood. For this reason they attempted to defeat, or at least support, the laws of physics and the principles of marine engineering with steel. It was to no avail. Not even the steel bracing could prevent the flexing and twisting that resulted in the separation of the hull planking. The Wyoming required constant pumping, as did her sister ships. The Wyoming leaked from the day she hit the water until the day, 14 years later, when she foundered and broke up off of Monomoy Island while riding out a storm at anchor.

It is said that she could be seen to snake (movement of the bow and stern from side to side in relation to the midship) and hog (movement of the bow and stern up and down in relation to the midship) while underway. The action of the waves, in even calm seas, caused the planking to be sprung beyond the capabilities of any calking that could be devised. The Wyoming and her sisters were used, for the most part, for short, close-in coastal hauls, generally in sight of land. At the first sign if inclement weather, they could run for port. The Wyoming served for several years as a coal hauler, as did several of her sisters.

I have always had a great love for windjammers. I have some very expensive books that deal with the minutia of their construction and for years my hobby was to build full rigged wooden models (current project - H.M.S. Beagle). I spent hours climbing over the decks of the U.S.S. Constitution in Charleston Navy Yard, admiring her construction. The Wyoming must have been a beautiful vessel. But she was a beautiful anachronism. At about 300 ft. the structural capabilities of wood were exceeded beyond the abilities of engineering and design to remedy

Few other ships of this size were built of wood. One exception was the four-masted medium clipper barque, Great Republic built in 1853. She is sometimes reported as the longest wooden ship ever build with a length of 334 feet, but more usually it is claimed that she was 325 feet. The Great Republic also had 90 steel cross braces, 4 inches wide, 1 inch thick, and 36 feet long. Nevertheless, she sprung her hull in a storm off of Bermuda. She was abandoned when the water in the hold reached 15 feet.

And yet, creationists want me to believe that a 450 ft. (minimum) vessel of ALL wood construction was able to withstand a storm of 40 days and then remain at sea for almost a year, manned by only eight people, without the efficient pumps of the turn of the century, calked with nothing more than "pitch inside and out". Not to mention the overwhelming necessity of the limited crew to feed and water thousands of animals and to muck out thousands of pens (and then carry the result of the mucking up two decks in order to throw it overboard). When was there time for pumping (24 hours a day if the above is any indication) and the constant recalking in a futile attempt to stem the flow.

You may perceive this as an argument from incredulity similar to those that are so typical of creationists, but I just can't believe such a fairy tale. Experience with real wooden ships sailing in real oceans indicates that Noah's ark would not have survived many days of the 40 day storm.

My opinion of Noah's ark is that that boat don't float.
http://www.noanswersingenesis.org.au/bo ... _float.htm

[theStudent]

Johan's Ark: Noah's Ark Replica Crashes Into Moored Norwegian Coast Guard Vessel, Officials Say
The crash occurred in Oslo, Norway, Friday. A military patrol boat and the 230-foot long replica created by Dutch carpenter Johan Huibers, who reportedly used the Bible's measurements, were damaged.




Two of every species of animal in the entire world and all of the food necessary to feed and maintain them all for months was going to fit into that? REALLY?

Does anyone foresee any problems here?

From looking at it, in comparison with the cars, I was thinking, that's way too small.
In doing a check, I realized I was right.

A 230-foot long replica of Noahs Ark collided with a Norwegian Coast Guard vessel as it arrived in Oslo, Norway on Friday, causing damage to both ships.

http://gcaptain.com/noahs-ark-crashes-i ... hat-right/
It's about have the size of Noah's.

But even if this was the exact size of Noah's, if God told him to build it that size, it would have been able to hold what God had in mind to put into it, because God is no fool, nor is he like man, with so little knowledge and understanding.

[Tired of the Nonsense]

Johan's Ark: Noah's Ark Replica Crashes Into Moored Norwegian Coast Guard Vessel, Officials Say
The crash occurred in Oslo, Norway, Friday. A military patrol boat and the 230-foot long replica created by Dutch carpenter Johan Huibers, who reportedly used the Bible's measurements, were damaged.




Two of every species of animal in the entire world and all of the food necessary to feed and maintain them all for months was going to fit into that? REALLY?

Does anyone foresee any problems here?

From looking at it, in comparison with the cars, I was thinking, that's way too small.
In doing a check, I realized I was right.

A 230-foot long replica of Noahs Ark collided with a Norwegian Coast Guard vessel as it arrived in Oslo, Norway on Friday, causing damage to both ships.

http://gcaptain.com/noahs-ark-crashes-i ... hat-right/
It's about have the size of Noah's.

But even if this was the exact size of Noah's, if God told him to build it that size, it would have been able to hold what God had in mind to put into it, because God is no fool, nor is he like man, with so little knowledge and understanding.

The God of your imagination may be no fool, but that sentiment does not apply to the individuals who wrote Genesis.

Gen.6
[15] And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

Answers in Genesis
How Long Was The Original Cubit
Though the original cubit length is uncertain, it was most likely one of the long cubits (about 19.8"20.6 in). If so, the Ark was actually bigger than the size described in most books today, which usually use the short cubit.
https://answersingenesis.org/noahs-ark/ ... nal-cubit/

If the original long cubit was about 20 inches in length, then the 300 cubit Ark would have been about 6000 inches, or 500 feet long. Roughly 160 feet longer then the longest wooden vessel ever recorded. A short cubit amounts to approximately 462.4 mm (18.20 in). https://www.google.com/search?q=how+lon ... e&ie=UTF-8

Which would work out to a length of 455 feet for the Ark. Still much larger than the longest wooden vessel ever constructed. A vessel which never proved to be seaworthy, even though it used steel reinforcements. The flexing of the wood due to the action of the waves in a long wooden vessel opens up the seams, causing excessive leakage.

And yet even at these dimensions the Ark would have been far too small to contain two of every species of animal in the world plus food to sustain them. The dinosaur section alone would have necessarily been greater than the dimensions indicated in the Bible for the entire Ark.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 4 by Tired of the Nonsense]

But God is all-powerful and all knowing.
So he could feed and sewage the entire ark, no worries.

So he destroyed everyone on the Earth, except for ten folks whose inbreeding evidently recreated the evil on the Earth.

Killing millions of evil people was so much more beneficent, than just wiping out Adam and Eve and starting over.

You really must appreciate the majestic wisdom of our our creator to realize all this suffering and pain was necessary so that he could wipe it all out with a flood to clear up that wisdom.

I blame it on in-breeding. Adam and Eve's children would have been brothers and sisters. I think Satan introduced a paranoid schizophrenic gene, so that Moses, et&al could hear God's voice so they could present the "Good News," that turned a world into the place where all Christian want to leave it an go to heaven.

[theStudent]

Johan's Ark: Noah's Ark Replica Crashes Into Moored Norwegian Coast Guard Vessel, Officials Say
The crash occurred in Oslo, Norway, Friday. A military patrol boat and the 230-foot long replica created by Dutch carpenter Johan Huibers, who reportedly used the Bible's measurements, were damaged.




Two of every species of animal in the entire world and all of the food necessary to feed and maintain them all for months was going to fit into that? REALLY?

Does anyone foresee any problems here?

From looking at it, in comparison with the cars, I was thinking, that's way too small.
In doing a check, I realized I was right.

A 230-foot long replica of Noahs Ark collided with a Norwegian Coast Guard vessel as it arrived in Oslo, Norway on Friday, causing damage to both ships.

http://gcaptain.com/noahs-ark-crashes-i ... hat-right/
It's about have the size of Noah's.

But even if this was the exact size of Noah's, if God told him to build it that size, it would have been able to hold what God had in mind to put into it, because God is no fool, nor is he like man, with so little knowledge and understanding.

The God of your imagination may be no fool, but that sentiment does not apply to the individuals who wrote Genesis.

Gen.6
[15] And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

Answers in Genesis
How Long Was The Original Cubit
Though the original cubit length is uncertain, it was most likely one of the long cubits (about 19.8"20.6 in). If so, the Ark was actually bigger than the size described in most books today, which usually use the short cubit.
https://answersingenesis.org/noahs-ark/ ... nal-cubit/

If the original long cubit was about 20 inches in length, then the 300 cubit Ark would have been about 6000 inches, or 500 feet long. Roughly 160 feet longer then the longest wooden vessel ever recorded. A short cubit amounts to approximately 462.4 mm (18.20 in). https://www.google.com/search?q=how+lon ... e&ie=UTF-8

Which would work out to a length of 455 feet for the Ark. Still much larger than the longest wooden vessel ever constructed. A vessel which never proved to be seaworthy, even though it used steel reinforcements. The flexing of the wood due to the action of the waves in a long wooden vessel opens up the seams, causing excessive leakage.

And yet even at these dimensions the Ark would have been far too small to contain two of every species of animal in the world plus food to sustain them. The dinosaur section alone would have necessarily been greater than the dimensions indicated in the Bible for the entire Ark.

Which world?
The one in your mind, or the one in Noah's day?
Because the Bible does not say how many species existed in Noah's day.
Neither does it mention any dinosaur.

And are you disagreeing with you scientists who speculate that their dinosaur were wiped out by a meteorite?
If their claim is true, how could you expect man to survive?
So according to their theory, man couldn't have existed with the dinosaur.
Therefore, according to their theory - no dinosaurs in Noah's day.

[theStudent]

[Replying to post 4 by Tired of the Nonsense]

But God is all-powerful and all knowing.
So he could feed and sewage the entire ark, no worries.

So he destroyed everyone on the Earth, except for ten folks whose inbreeding evidently recreated the evil on the Earth.

Killing millions of evil people was so much more beneficent, than just wiping out Adam and Eve and starting over.

You really must appreciate the majestic wisdom of our our creator to realize all this suffering and pain was necessary so that he could wipe it all out with a flood to clear up that wisdom.

I blame it on in-breeding. Adam and Eve's children would have been brothers and sisters. I think Satan introduced a paranoid schizophrenic gene, so that Moses, et&al could hear God's voice so they could present the "Good News," that turned a world into the place where all Christian want to leave it an go to heaven.

So he destroyed everyone on the Earth, except for ten folks whose inbreeding evidently recreated the evil on the Earth.

See.
Right there there is an example of how much you know about the Bible.
Did you ever read it?

[Willum]

[Replying to theStudent]

Yes, and X-Men comics to (before they were cool), what's your point?

James Earl Jones has the talking book. Talk about heavenly!

Tell me, do you ever answer difficult questions with something other than sardonic statements and/or questions?

I'm awaiting responses from you (or anyone) about two subjects now, and answering questions with questions is unhelpful.

[Zzyzx]

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Which world? The one in your mind, or the one in Noah's day?

Is this to suggest that the world was significantly different in Noah's day?

If so, kindly supply supporting verifiable evidence that significant differences were present.

Because the Bible does not say how many species existed in Noah's day.

The real world of today contains millions of species. If someone wishes to claim that there were less at a specific time in the past, they are asked to supply supporting evidence.

Neither does it mention any dinosaur.

Since the word dinosaur did not show up in the English language until a couple centuries ago, HOW could the Bible contain the word? Some scholars and theologians suggest that the word translated as dragon (multiple mentions) and other terms were used in bible stories to mean what is now referred to as dinosaur. That, however, is speculation.

Interestingly, the word dragon is used a number of times in the Old Testament. In most instances, the word dinosaur could substitute for dragon and it would fit very nicely. Creation scientists believe that dinosaurs were called dragons before the word dinosaur was invented in the 1800s. We would not expect to find the word dinosaur in Bibles like the Authorized Version (1611), as it was translated well before the word dinosaur was ever used.
Also, there are many very old history books in various libraries around the world that have detailed records of dragons and their encounters with people. Surprisingly (or not so surprisingly for creationists), many of these descriptions of dragons fit with how modern scientists would describe dinosaurs, even Tyrannosaurus. Unfortunately, this evidence is not considered valid by evolutionists. Why? Only because their belief is that man and dinosaurs did not live at the same time!
https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/ ... the-bible/

Also see http://christianity.about.com/od/whatdo ... -Bible.htm

And are you disagreeing with you scientists who speculate that their dinosaur were wiped out by a meteorite?

I do not disagree with the meteorite theory. A major meteor impact could produce widespread extinction of plants and animals.

If their claim is true, how could you expect man to survive?

According to anthropologists, people who study such things, humans did not come along until millions of years after dinosaurs became extinct.

In other words, there were no humans 65 or so million years ago

So according to their theory, man couldn't have existed with the dinosaur.

Exactly

Therefore, according to their theory - no dinosaurs in Noah's day.

Agreed.

[theStudent]

[Replying to theStudent]

Yes, and X-Men comics to (before they were cool), what's your point?

James Earl Jones has the talking book. Talk about heavenly!

Tell me, do you ever answer difficult questions with something other than sardonic statements and/or questions?

I'm awaiting responses from you (or anyone) about two subjects now, and answering questions with questions is unhelpful.

That's funny.
I see no question marks in your post, and yet you say you asked a question.
Would you mind pointing it out?