Why do you not accept Islam?

[DanieltheDragon]

What reasons do any here have to reject Islam?

Is Islam the most accurate representation of god?

[benchwarmer]

Umm, what? Isn't that like saying Christians basically worship a statue glued to two crossed sticks?

It is not taught in Christianity that one must bow to some statue or earthly matter when he prays.

I know, that was my point. Neither is that taught in Islam. Ask a Muslim or use google to find out what they are really doing.

Just because you face a certain way or treat a location as special doesn't mean you are worshiping the item in question.

Then, why they do so, especially if God is so great?

Why do some Christians pray in a church, use rosary beads, travel to sacred locations, have crucifixes in their homes, have paintings of Jesus, have fancy Bibles that are treated with reverence, etc. Perhaps it's best to ask them (Christians and Muslims) rather than assume you know the answer. Using google, I found the answer in 10 seconds. Give it a try if you want to know too.

It sounds like you have no actual reason for not being a Muslim other than some odd misconception.

Quran says:
The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah believe in Allah and His messengers.
Surat An-Nis' 4:171
http://quran.com/4/171

I do as Quran says when I believe Jesus, so is there any problem really?

No, I don't see a problem here, so why aren't you a Muslim again? Because you think they pray to a rock? That's pretty funny.

[1213]

No, I don't see a problem here, so why aren't you a Muslim again?

If I do as Quran says and I am not Muslim, perhaps you should ask from a Muslim, why I am not a Muslim?

At the same time, you could ask also, why they dont believe Jesus, all though Quran says they should?

[Monta]

What reasons do any here have to reject Islam?

Is Islam the most accurate representation of god?

I can not reject religion I don't know or make a judgment about their god of which I also do not know.

Great respect for Islamic believers, their dedication and reverence.

[Justin108]

I don't accept Islam for several reasons.

# Islam claims to be a continuation or a progression from both Christianity and the religion of the ancient Jews. If that were the case this should be confirmed by both the witnesses given in the Hebrew and the Christian bibles without contradiction. I don't see this.

Can you specify the contradictions? Is this any different from the numerous contradictions that can be found in the Bible? Of course, you will excuse every Biblical contradiction and explain it away as a misinterpretation, but how do you know that your perceived contradictions in Islam aren't also misinterpretations?

And just to clarify: Islam is not a continuation of Christianity. Islam considers Jesus a prophet, but that's about it. Islam does not accept Paul, Revelation, or any non-Gospel book in the New Testament.

#Islam claims to worship the God of Abraham, Moses and of Jesus yet not once does the name of that God YHWH (Jehovah) appear or was recorded as being mentioned in the Quran.

Muslims call God "Allah" out of respect just as many Christians call God "Lord" out of respect. If a boy calls his father "Dad" rather than "Frank", does this somehow mean that they're talking about a different person? Or is the boy simply calling his father "Dad" out of respect?

#Islam claims to be a religion of peace, yet its history and its present day failure to to change the hearts and and conduct of its member from tribal, ethnic or religious violence to the peace of God does not testify to this.

Crusades, Salem witch trials, pedophilic priests. I can go on. Judging a religion based on what some of their followers do is a fallacy. Just as Christians can dismiss the above examples as "not good Christians", a Muslim can dismiss terrorists as "not good Muslims". The only fair way to assess a religion is to look at the religious teachings, and in both Islam and Christianity, there are commandments to kill non-believers, kill homosexuals, kill adulterers, etc. Give me one vile commandment in the Quran that is not present in the Bible as well? Every single vile commandment in the Quran can be found in the Bible, and if not, something equally vile can be found instead.

#I personally find Islam simplistic, ritualistic and being very familiar with its internal workings oppressive and entirely unappealing.

The Old Testament has entire pages dedicated to how to prepare an animal sacrifice and you call Islam ritualistic?

As for you finding it unappealing... is that how you normally determine truth? Did you choose Christianity (or Jehovah's Witness) because it was rational? Or because it was appealing? What does appeal have to do with whether or not a religion is true?


These are points that I've raised before which you usually choose to ignore so I would be delightfully surprised if you actually responded this time.

Wow my predictions have a better track record than the Watchtower.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 16 by JehovahsWitness]

Wrong.
They were written in Greek.
Greek.
Greek and Greek.

Yes the Christian Greek scriptures are indeed written in Greek, thank you for pointing that out. Now, did you have a point to make in response to something *I* have written? If so what is it.

Here are my posts.

Elohim & YHWH [Hebrew]
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 678#879678
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 720#879720

[Willum]

[Replying to post 16 by JehovahsWitness]

So, why do you worship Jove (phonetically Yahweh/Jehovah)? Or God, which is Germanic for a human ruler, instead of by the name Jesus called him?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 26 by Willum]

I am not here to justify who I worship or why to anyone. That is nobody's business but my own.

Now, did you have anything to write in response to something I have written in this thread (see above) if so, would you be interested in making your point?

If not, please have a most excellent day,

JW

[Willum]

[Replying to post 27 by JehovahsWitness]

You mean that YHVH is simply how you would spell Jove phonetically? Why does that surprise you that this is how it would be written in GREEK?

The Greeks worshiped Jove.

YHVH in Phoenician, is actually Yahu, a wind god of the Jewish pantheon, you are more familiar with as the Canann pantheon.

So, I DID address your question. Now,since you now know the reality of your assumptions, you now know HOW they were answered.

Now, why do you invoke a German title and Jove?

[marco]

If I do as Quran says and I am not Muslim, perhaps you should ask from a Muslim, why I am not a Muslim?

At the same time, you could ask also, why they dont believe Jesus, all though Quran says they should?

If you wish to join Islam simply recite the Shahada (with conviction): There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet.

Jesus is a respected prophet in Islam. The NT accounts are not all factually true, according to the data that Muhammad divinely received in his cave. Muhammad, being the final prophet, offers the ultimate truth, directly from God.

[tfvespasianus]

If I do as Quran says and I am not Muslim, perhaps you should ask from a Muslim, why I am not a Muslim?

At the same time, you could ask also, why they dont believe Jesus, all though Quran says they should?

If you wish to join Islam simply recite the Shahada (with conviction): There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet.

Jesus is a respected prophet in Islam. The NT accounts are not all factually true, according to the data that Muhammad divinely received in his cave. Muhammad, being the final prophet, offers the ultimate truth, directly from God.

This is an excellent summation. That is, in essence that is what asked of a Muslim with the caveat that there are innumerable other norms of behavior associated with the praxis of being a Muslim and that these norms differ from community to community for reasons various.

And that is what is at issue here to me. We generally accept culture norms when making decisions about what we believe and adopting an alien set of cultural taboos, diet, and dress etc. is usually off the table for reasons we can reason out. I realize that theres always someone that will say yeah, but I know so-and-so that became a [whatever] and they were from a place where no one is a [whatever], but thats not really relevant. Most do not do so, not because the claims of the religion (which is a function of culture) are not compelling (after all, they are very compelling to some other people), but because adopting the mores of an alien culture is something extraordinary.

take care,
TFV