Do Christians have a moral obligation to stop Islam?

Flail · Post by **Flail** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:04 pm

If a Christian has a personal relationship with the 'One True God', knows Jesus as Savior and Messiah and that the Bible is divine and inerrant, doesn't that Christian have a moral obligation to stop Islam? For example, would it not be a moral imperative for that Christian to take any necessary step to prevent a child from being indoctrinated as a Muslim? Would that not akin to standing by and watching as the child ingests poison?

Question for debate:
Do Christians have a moral obligation to stop to Islam?

cnorman18 · Post by **cnorman18** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:09 pm

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B-O-H wrote: Wonderful to read a great question. I think having the Rider in Revelations is for us to take to influence. The thing about speaking the truth about Muhammad being the prophesized false prophet, and the antiChrist is that it gets you banned. I get banned for mentioning he had sex with a 9 year old. No need to speak sharply, just speaking the truth cuts them to pieces. But I keep going at it. The more you debate and fight for God, the more you make Jesus and God your friend. THere are many great rewards for standing for Jesus...

The Rider is faithful and true. Him tossing the Muhammad, Allah, and Satan into the Lake is not pretty. If I think, and know in my heart that Islam is a pathetic excuse for a religion, completely without compassion for Jesus, God, or any other of MUhammad's victims, then I will speak my heart for their sake as well as mine. The injustice is absolutely outrageous. IT is incredibly evil, and I will point it out to everyone. If I question the integrety of anyone who perpetuates the pathetic, HORRENDOUS lies, and covers upo for that monster of a man might make me a "dick", I really could care less what you call it. I am justified in my outrage. Jesus is like a brother to me...

It is because of their love, admiration, and worshop of Muhammad that terrorist do their biddings. THeir religion needs to be taken apart in front of them to see. It is a grave mistake to think terrorism is the fringe. Terrorism is caused by Muhammad's influence. "Moderates" sit back, sometimes talks bad of terrorists, and blindly covers up for Muhammad. Either out of fear or ignorance, or both. They need to know the truth. Unfortuneately, like most religious sites, the truth, and the loving, furious God of the NT is not allowed, further perpetuating the problem. They are forbidden God's influence because of that deuchbag....

The future of Christianity will have Islam as the perfect example of what NOT to do. We will be further educated into what it is God wants(Jesus) and a wonderful example of what he doesn't want.

B-O-H · Post by **B-O-H** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:13 pm

Murad wrote:
B-O-H wrote:
Murad wrote:B-O-H instead of spilling insults which no one actually gives any weight to(this is the internet so its full of ignorant people), would you like to have a debate with me? The title can be: "Whats more logical, Islam or Christianity?"
You don't sound to me like you know what the Koran or the NT. Are you asking me if logic had anything to do with Muhammad's approach to writing the Koran? think it's logical to think sure he thiought it "logical" to do all the evil things he did and get away with it by forcing people to love him, and cover up the deeds. idk is that logical? You tell me.

Check mate. Besides insults you have nothing.

And btw, i know more about the Bible than you think, i can quote biblical references off my head. Can you do that?

I just don't understand what kind of "logic" you are talking about. Which one is more "Logical"? It just doesn't make a lot of sense. We could try to understand Muhammad and what was in his mind when he decided to lie about Jesus. What kind of man Jesus was is great. We agree on that. Who is this Muhammad charecture?

B-O-H · Post by **B-O-H** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:17 pm

If I get banned for calling Muhammad a dooshbag, I'm cool with that. It isn't about insulting so much as it is about anger. Remember that. I have anger towards him. Let the whole world know. I'm happy wit it.

Murad · Post by **Murad** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:32 pm

B-O-H wrote:
Murad wrote:
B-O-H wrote:
Murad wrote:B-O-H instead of spilling insults which no one actually gives any weight to(this is the internet so its full of ignorant people), would you like to have a debate with me? The title can be: "Whats more logical, Islam or Christianity?"
You don't sound to me like you know what the Koran or the NT. Are you asking me if logic had anything to do with Muhammad's approach to writing the Koran? think it's logical to think sure he thiought it "logical" to do all the evil things he did and get away with it by forcing people to love him, and cover up the deeds. idk is that logical? You tell me.

Check mate. Besides insults you have nothing.

And btw, i know more about the Bible than you think, i can quote biblical references off my head. Can you do that?

I just don't understand what kind of "logic" you are talking about. Which one is more "Logical"? It just doesn't make a lot of sense. We could try to understand Muhammad and what was in his mind when he decided to lie about Jesus. What kind of man Jesus was is great. We agree on that. Who is this Muhammad charecture?

A very funny question to ask a muslim.

Muhammad was & still is the greatest man in history, greatness is measured in what is acheived, Jesus has acheived basically nothing yet(besides people misinterpreting him), but he will have his reign of glory in his second comming(the Golden[Messianic] Age)

Philosopher, Orator, Apostle, Legislator, Warrior, Conqueror of ideas Restorer of rational beliefs, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammed. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?

Lamartine, Historie de la Turquie, Paris 1854, Vol. 11 pp. 276-2727

Flail · Post by **Flail** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:47 pm

Murad wrote:
B-O-H wrote:
Murad wrote:
B-O-H wrote:
Murad wrote:B-O-H instead of spilling insults which no one actually gives any weight to(this is the internet so its full of ignorant people), would you like to have a debate with me? The title can be: "Whats more logical, Islam or Christianity?"
You don't sound to me like you know what the Koran or the NT. Are you asking me if logic had anything to do with Muhammad's approach to writing the Koran? think it's logical to think sure he thiought it "logical" to do all the evil things he did and get away with it by forcing people to love him, and cover up the deeds. idk is that logical? You tell me.

Check mate. Besides insults you have nothing.

And btw, i know more about the Bible than you think, i can quote biblical references off my head. Can you do that?

I just don't understand what kind of "logic" you are talking about. Which one is more "Logical"? It just doesn't make a lot of sense. We could try to understand Muhammad and what was in his mind when he decided to lie about Jesus. What kind of man Jesus was is great. We agree on that. Who is this Muhammad charecture?
A very funny question to ask a muslim.

Muhammad was & still is the greatest man in history, greatness is measured in what is acheived, Jesus has acheived basically nothing yet(besides people misinterpreting him), but he will have his reign of glory in his second comming(the Golden[Messianic] Age)

Philosopher, Orator, Apostle, Legislator, Warrior, Conqueror of ideas Restorer of rational beliefs, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammed. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?

Lamartine, Historie de la Turquie, Paris 1854, Vol. 11 pp. 276-2727

Do you Murad, as a Muslim, have a moral obligation to stand against and attempt to thwart Christianity?

Murad · Post by **Murad** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:54 pm

Flail wrote: Do you Murad, as a Muslim, have a moral obligation to stand against and attempt to thwart Christianity?

Absolutely not, the only moral obligation i have is to clear false accusations on Islam.
3 of my 4 favourite Muslim Scholars were Christians(Dr Gerald Dirks, Yusuf Estes, Khalid Yasin), any free-thinking Christian that can reason without a biased position has the highest degree of respect in my eyes.

B-O-H · Post by **B-O-H** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:05 pm

Do you Murad, as a Muslim, have a moral obligation to stand against and attempt to thwart Christianity?[/quote]

By nature, if you are Islammic, you are antichcist, and if you are Christian, you are antiIslam. They absolutely oppose one another. If you believe the NT to be true OVER that of the Koran, then that means you deem Muhammad a dirty little liar. There's no two ways about that.

Kuan · Post by **Kuan** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:08 pm

B-O-H wrote:Do you Murad, as a Muslim, have a moral obligation to stand against and attempt to thwart Christianity?[/quote]

By nature, if you are Islammic, you are antichcist, and if you are Christian, you are antiIslam. They absolutely oppose one another. If you believe the NT to be true OVER that of the Koran, then that means you deem Muhammad a dirty little liar. There's no two ways about that.

Not really. Islam and Christianity can co-exist peacefully. A belief in the NT does not make you deem Muhammad a liar. I would think that most christian fundamentalists would be more ani-semitic than anti-islamic because the Jews killed Jesus.

cnorman18 · Post by **cnorman18** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:24 pm

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B-O-H wrote:If I get banned for calling Muhammad a dooshbag, I'm cool with that. It isn't about insulting so much as it is about anger. Remember that. I have anger towards him. Let the whole world know. I'm happy wit it.

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fewwillfindit · Post by **fewwillfindit** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:52 pm

B-O-H wrote:If I get banned for calling Muhammad a dooshbag, I'm cool with that. It isn't about insulting so much as it is about anger. Remember that. I have anger towards him. Let the whole world know. I'm happy wit it.

Perhaps you are not aware that that word is vulgar. Some people, especially the younger ones, are unaware that it actually means something. Here is the definition:

Dictionary.com wrote:douche bag
-noun
small syringe having detachable nozzles for fluid injections, used chiefly for vaginal lavage and for enemas.

As a professing Christian, getting banned for vulgar language is not suffering persecution, and certainly wouldn't be something to be proud of. It would bring dishonor to our Lord. Not to mention it is a violation of Scripture.

Ephesians 5:4-5 wrote:Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

Philippians 4:8 wrote:Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.