If a Christian has a personal relationship with the 'One True God', knows Jesus as Savior and Messiah and that the Bible is divine and inerrant, doesn't that Christian have a moral obligation to stop Islam? For example, would it not be a moral imperative for that Christian to take any necessary step to prevent a child from being indoctrinated as a Muslim? Would that not akin to standing by and watching as the child ingests poison?
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Do Christians have a moral obligation to stop to Islam?
Do Christians have a moral obligation to stop Islam?
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Post #2No, we have a moral obligation to love them as best we can. God will sort everything out eventually, so we don't need to worry about that.Flail wrote:...Do Christians have a moral obligation to stop to Islam?
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Post #3You can, of course, always kick things down the road to 'God' but IMO, Islam will prove a daunting challenge to Christianity in the US. These boys are serious, intelligent and have huge economic resources. Whenever you want prayer in school, prayer in public, gov't support of religion, religion in politics, religion in text books etc, they will step in asking for equality which will shut you down on those fronts. Rumor has it that, once they are more established with numerous Mosques, they will propose the abolishment of tax preferences for all religion and call for taxing all church profit and taxing all church real estate. This will gain popular support. They have even more money than Christianity(excepting maybe the Catholics) and they are more tightly organized. They can pay their taxes and then some, while without tax exemptions, much of Christianity will fail.EduChris wrote:No, we have a moral obligation to love them as best we can. God will sort everything out eventually, so we don't need to worry about that.Flail wrote:...Do Christians have a moral obligation to stop to Islam?
So even though you think you have no moral obligation to stop them from dooming their kids to hell, they will eventually undermine and marginalize you...IMO, they are no better or worse than Christians...just part of the same problem...and much more commited
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Re: Do Christians have a moral obligation to stop Islam?
Post #4I actualy heard someone say the same thing about us mormons...Except mosques were temples.Flail wrote:You can, of course, always kick things down the road to 'God' but IMO, Islam will prove a daunting challenge to Christianity in the US. These boys are serious, intelligent and have huge economic resources. Whenever you want prayer in school, prayer in public, gov't support of religion, religion in politics, religion in text books etc, they will step in asking for equality which will shut you down on those fronts. Rumor has it that, once they are more established with numerous Mosques, they will propose the abolishment of tax preferences for all religion and call for taxing all church profit and taxing all church real estate. This will gain popular support. They have even more money than Christianity(excepting maybe the Catholics) and they are more tightly organized. They can pay their taxes and then some, while without tax exemptions, much of Christianity will fail.EduChris wrote:No, we have a moral obligation to love them as best we can. God will sort everything out eventually, so we don't need to worry about that.Flail wrote:...Do Christians have a moral obligation to stop to Islam?
Forgive me if I dont take rumors seriously.
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Re: Do Christians have a moral obligation to stop Islam?
Post #5Somebody's been hanging out on too many conspiracy theorist websites.Flail wrote:You can, of course, always kick things down the road to 'God' but IMO, Islam will prove a daunting challenge to Christianity in the US. These boys are serious, intelligent and have huge economic resources. Whenever you want prayer in school, prayer in public, gov't support of religion, religion in politics, religion in text books etc, they will step in asking for equality which will shut you down on those fronts. Rumor has it that, once they are more established with numerous Mosques, they will propose the abolishment of tax preferences for all religion and call for taxing all church profit and taxing all church real estate. This will gain popular support. They have even more money than Christianity(excepting maybe the Catholics) and they are more tightly organized. They can pay their taxes and then some, while without tax exemptions, much of Christianity will fail.EduChris wrote:No, we have a moral obligation to love them as best we can. God will sort everything out eventually, so we don't need to worry about that.Flail wrote:...Do Christians have a moral obligation to stop to Islam?
So even though you think you have no moral obligation to stop them from dooming their kids to hell, they will eventually undermine and marginalize you...IMO, they are no better or worse than Christians...just part of the same problem...and much more commited
Regardless, I say bring it on. You predict that Christianity will fail. Perhaps the visible institutions, but never Christianity. We've gone underground before and we'll do it again if we have to.
If you don't believe this, take a look at "visible" Christianity in China at the present moment. They are a very active, thriving underground Church whose members are continually being beaten and thrown in prisons, yet they are thriving like never before.
I'm not concerned with "prayer in school, prayer in public, gov't support of religion, religion in politics, religion in text books etc," and never have been. When true adversity hits it will rapidly separate the men from the boys. We'll see then who is truly committed to their faith and who is in it for the "bless me's" and goosebumps.
Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.
Re: Do Christians have a moral obligation to stop Islam?
Post #6You're forgetting who will end up having to pay church taxes - church goers - the people who will have to vote for those tax changes. Do you believe mom and pop are going to vote for representatives who would tax churches to the point of shutting them down? Most churches have trouble meeting their expenses anyway, so there would be no profits and consequently no tax payments. Not only that, but property taxes are determined at the local level. Towns and cities are not about to shut down their churches.Flail wrote:You can, of course, always kick things down the road to 'God' but IMO, Islam will prove a daunting challenge to Christianity in the US. These boys are serious, intelligent and have huge economic resources. Whenever you want prayer in school, prayer in public, gov't support of religion, religion in politics, religion in text books etc, they will step in asking for equality which will shut you down on those fronts. Rumor has it that, once they are more established with numerous Mosques, they will propose the abolishment of tax preferences for all religion and call for taxing all church profit and taxing all church real estate. This will gain popular support. They have even more money than Christianity(excepting maybe the Catholics) and they are more tightly organized. They can pay their taxes and then some, while without tax exemptions, much of Christianity will fail.EduChris wrote:No, we have a moral obligation to love them as best we can. God will sort everything out eventually, so we don't need to worry about that.Flail wrote:...Do Christians have a moral obligation to stop to Islam?
So even though you think you have no moral obligation to stop them from dooming their kids to hell, they will eventually undermine and marginalize you...IMO, they are no better or worse than Christians...just part of the same problem...and much more commited
If Muslims are no better or worse than Christians, what difference would there be to have a mosque or church on each street corner?
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Re: Do Christians have a moral obligation to stop Islam?
Post #7Nah, we'll be speaking chinese by then and it will all be outlawed.Flail wrote:You can, of course, always kick things down the road to 'God' but IMO, Islam will prove a daunting challenge to Christianity in the US. These boys are serious, intelligent and have huge economic resources. Whenever you want prayer in school, prayer in public, gov't support of religion, religion in politics, religion in text books etc, they will step in asking for equality which will shut you down on those fronts. Rumor has it that, once they are more established with numerous Mosques, they will propose the abolishment of tax preferences for all religion and call for taxing all church profit and taxing all church real estate. This will gain popular support. They have even more money than Christianity(excepting maybe the Catholics) and they are more tightly organized. They can pay their taxes and then some, while without tax exemptions, much of Christianity will fail.EduChris wrote:No, we have a moral obligation to love them as best we can. God will sort everything out eventually, so we don't need to worry about that.Flail wrote:...Do Christians have a moral obligation to stop to Islam?
So even though you think you have no moral obligation to stop them from dooming their kids to hell, they will eventually undermine and marginalize you...IMO, they are no better or worse than Christians...just part of the same problem...and much more commited
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Re: Do Christians have a moral obligation to stop Islam?
Post #8That is an awful lot of generalizations that you are making here.Flail wrote:You can, of course, always kick things down the road to 'God' but IMO, Islam will prove a daunting challenge to Christianity in the US. These boys are serious, intelligent and have huge economic resources. Whenever you want prayer in school, prayer in public, gov't support of religion, religion in politics, religion in text books etc, they will step in asking for equality which will shut you down on those fronts. Rumor has it that, once they are more established with numerous Mosques, they will propose the abolishment of tax preferences for all religion and call for taxing all church profit and taxing all church real estate. This will gain popular support. They have even more money than Christianity(excepting maybe the Catholics) and they are more tightly organized. They can pay their taxes and then some, while without tax exemptions, much of Christianity will fail.EduChris wrote:No, we have a moral obligation to love them as best we can. God will sort everything out eventually, so we don't need to worry about that.Flail wrote:...Do Christians have a moral obligation to stop to Islam?
So even though you think you have no moral obligation to stop them from dooming their kids to hell, they will eventually undermine and marginalize you...IMO, they are no better or worse than Christians...just part of the same problem...and much more commited
Do you think that all Muslims are the same?
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Post #9As far as street corners go, I would much rather see a profitable, tax paying business with lots of tax paying employees than either a mosque or a church...if we are going tax exempt, a learning center or homeless shelter would be preferable.SteveC wrote:You're forgetting who will end up having to pay church taxes - church goers - the people who will have to vote for those tax changes. Do you believe mom and pop are going to vote for representatives who would tax churches to the point of shutting them down? Most churches have trouble meeting their expenses anyway, so there would be no profits and consequently no tax payments. Not only that, but property taxes are determined at the local level. Towns and cities are not about to shut down their churches.Flail wrote:You can, of course, always kick things down the road to 'God' but IMO, Islam will prove a daunting challenge to Christianity in the US. These boys are serious, intelligent and have huge economic resources. Whenever you want prayer in school, prayer in public, gov't support of religion, religion in politics, religion in text books etc, they will step in asking for equality which will shut you down on those fronts. Rumor has it that, once they are more established with numerous Mosques, they will propose the abolishment of tax preferences for all religion and call for taxing all church profit and taxing all church real estate. This will gain popular support. They have even more money than Christianity(excepting maybe the Catholics) and they are more tightly organized. They can pay their taxes and then some, while without tax exemptions, much of Christianity will fail.EduChris wrote:No, we have a moral obligation to love them as best we can. God will sort everything out eventually, so we don't need to worry about that.Flail wrote:...Do Christians have a moral obligation to stop to Islam?
So even though you think you have no moral obligation to stop them from dooming their kids to hell, they will eventually undermine and marginalize you...IMO, they are no better or worse than Christians...just part of the same problem...and much more commited
If Muslims are no better or worse than Christians, what difference would there be to have a mosque or church on each street corner?
IMO, if challenged properly from a legal standpoint, the Supreme Court would ban tax preferences for all religion as unconstitutional and unequal protection, akin to govt support for theism. A tightly organized, oil rich, zealous religion that pays taxes would trump organized Christianity....but this is merely an opinion for consideration....of course violence and war are just as likely as tax fights once they start fighting for power and profit....hopefully we will avoid any more 9/11 tragedy.
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I also am wondering how denying freedom of religion is moral
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