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Replying to post 26 by MadeNew]
So any consensual sex is fine? Even if it is grossly perverted?
Between adults yes. What do you call 'perverted'?
I mean even the Bible tells us that to sin sexually is to sin against your own body, and not against others (1 Corinthians 6:18). They say "Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body."
I myself have been down that road, up to and including thinking that masturbation is a sin, is wrong. Nowadays, I don't.
Again, like I pointed out in my last reply to you, what is called a sexual sin is left completely up to the subjective viewpoint of whoever is making the claim, then given a false stamp of godly authority.
Do you think watching pornography is fine?
Yes. At one point, I thought no, and even harbored plans to create a virus to delete all internet pornography. Look at where I was going - my thoughts at the time of what was sexually moral led me to conclude it was perfectly ok for me to violate the free speech rights of everyone else, to damage their computers.
Look at what your religion is doing to you - they are telling you what is and isn't moral, up to and including watching pornography, controlling you into not watching it, making you afraid that watching it will turn you into a deviant like Ted Bundy.
However, think about it. Both you and I know that pornography is consumed in large quantities in the world. For your fears to be true, to make sense, that would mean that most or ALL of these viewers are like Ted Bundy; and I can't believe I actually have to say this to reassure you...but I'm not a necrophiliac.
Your fears are irrational.
Do you think consensual perversion is fine?
Yes. I have to ask why you don't think its ok and why you (if you actually do it in real life) speak out against it.
Like orgies?
Yes, although I highly doubt I'll ever participate in one myself. If a group of consenting adults gather in a room to have group sex, what's the problem? You seem to have a problem with these even if its consensual. I'd understand if you made a distinction between consensual and non-, but you don't. Even certain consensual activities are immoral to you.
Or prostitution?
Yes. I follow the talks and thoughts of a few prostitutes online who actually love their work. This isn't to say that all prostitutes are in a good position - but this doesn't mean that its immoral in and of itself.
Or like 2 girls 1 cup, where people poop on each other and eat it. Is that stuff ok because it is consensual?
Disgusting yes, unhealthy yes (I in fact have never watched 2G1C). However, what are you going to do if you hear of someone being involved in scat (involving real faeces, I have heard of fake scat using things like chocolate)?
At worst, I'd talk to them and maybe refer them to psychological counselling. I wouldn't be standing there on a podium denouncing them for their immorality.
It isn't like I'm trying to demonize you, and to outcast you. Everyone is a sinner, we are all in the same boat.
We're not in the same boat. The list from Paul in Romans details a laundry list of nasty things he considers non-believers to be. If you agree with Paul, then you believe this is what I and DI are. So why would you lump your loved ones in with us, if we're so horrible?
Every Christian is a sinner, and so is everyone else, the difference is the acknowledgment of sin, and not that you guys are worse then any of us.
So why Paul's tirade against non-believers?
Determining whether actions are in line with Christianity,
As I said, your subjective opinion.
is a lot different then coming up with your own morality based on whatever you feel like at that time.
Then there shouldn't be boat-loads of different denominations with their own opinions on what is moral and immoral, right?
Christians should be able to read the official Christian handbook, learn what is moral and immoral and not have any divisions.
Oh wait. No, that doesn't happen.
What you call moral, what you say Christianity says is moral, can and often is completely different to what that other Christian person over there says is moral, what he says Christianity says is moral.
