Noah's Ark

[East of Eden]

Anyone want to speculate how a large boat got on top of a 13,000' mountain?




Has Noah's Ark Been Found on Turkish Mountaintop?

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The remains of Noah's Ark have been discovered 13,000 feet up a Turkish mountain -- according to a sensational claim by evangelical explorers.


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Noahs Ark Ministries International

An explorer examines wooden beams inside what some are nearly certain is the remains of Noah's Ark.

A group of Chinese and Turkish evangelical explorers say wooden remains they have discovered on Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey are the remains of Noah's Ark.

The group claims that carbon dating proves the relics are 4,800 years old, meaning they date to around the same time the ark was said to be afloat. Mt. Ararat has long been suspected as the final resting place of the craft by evangelicals and literalists hoping to validate biblical stories.

Yeung Wing-Cheung, from the Noah's Ark Ministries International research team that made the discovery, said: "It's not 100 percent that it is Noah's Ark, but we think it is 99.9 percent that this is it."

There have been several reported discoveries of the remains of Noah's Ark over the years, most notably a find by archaeologist Ron Wyatt in 1987. At the time, the Turkish government officially declared a national park around his find, a boat-shaped object stretched across the mountains of Ararat.

Nevertheless, the evangelical ministry remains convinced that the current find is in fact more likely to be the actual artifact, calling upon Dutch Ark researcher Gerrit Aalten to verify its legitimacy.

The significance of this find is that for the first time in history the discovery of Noahs Ark is well documented and revealed to the worldwide community, Aalten said at a press conference announcing the find. Citing the many details that match historical accounts of the Ark, he believes it to be a legitimate archaeological discovery.

Theres a tremendous amount of solid evidence that the structure found on Mount Ararat in Eastern Turkey is the legendary Ark of Noah, said Aalten.

Representatives of Noah's Ark Ministries said the structure contained several compartments, some with wooden beams, that they believe were used to house animals.The group of evangelical archaeologists ruled out an established human settlement on the grounds none have ever been found above 11,000 feet in the vicinity, Yeung said.

During the press conference, team member Panda Lee described visiting the site. In October 2008, I climbed the mountain with the Turkish team. At an elevation of more than 4,000 meters, I saw a structure built with plank-like timber. Each plank was about 8 inches wide. I could see tenons, proof of ancient construction predating the use of metal nails."

We walked about 100 meters to another site. I could see broken wood fragments embedded in a glacier, and some 20 meters long. I surveyed the landscape and found that the wooden structure was permanently covered by ice and volcanic rocks."

Local Turkish officials will ask the central government in Ankara to apply for UNESCO World Heritage status so the site can be protected while a major archaeological dig is conducted.

The biblical story says that God decided to flood the Earth after seeing how corrupt it was. He then told Noah to build an ark and fill it with two of every animal species.

After the flood waters receded, the Bible says, the ark came to rest on a mountain. Many believe that Mount Ararat, the highest point in the region, is where the ark and her inhabitants ran aground.

[Crazy Ivan]

The only thing I'm wanting to know is if this is some remains of Noah's Ark. The story is fascinating to me, so it would be an fascinating find if that's what it turns out to be. If this team of researchers do not start to release sufficient/good samples from the site or aren't joined by an independent team of researchers some time soon (within a month) then I will start to doubt myself, but I won't draw anything conclusive. I'm also an agnostic so I guess sometimes it's hard for me to reach any position of real certainty in areas of science, philosophy, and beliefs.

In light of Lao Tzu has told me, I'm not so optimistic but I still won't draw any conclusions. I just want samples submitted to independent researchers, that is, if this team of researchers are actually ONSITE of a real archaeological find. Either that, or have more researchers go to the site and try to verify the structure there. If it turns out that the remains of Noah's Ark is indeed what's been discovered then all that means to me is that an the ark exists and whatever else the evidence speaks for in relation to the Bible. but I won't attribute the FULL story of Noah and the ark unless archaelogists/geologists believe the evidence is sufficient.

Do you have any personal criteria to distinguish "Noah's Ark" from any other vessel, or would you just uncritically accept a theoretical claim of veracity by a theoretical independent research team?

[Goat]

In light of Lao Tzu has told me, I'm not so optimistic but I still won't draw any conclusions. I just want samples submitted to independent researchers, that is, if this team of researchers are actually ONSITE of a real archaeological find. Either that, or have more researchers go to the site and try to verify the structure there. If it turns out that the remains of Noah's Ark is indeed what's been discovered then all that means to me is that an the ark exists and whatever else the evidence speaks for in relation to the Bible. but I won't attribute the FULL story of Noah and the ark unless archaelogists/geologists believe the evidence is sufficient.

The one item I am sure will not happen is evidence presented for objective peer review. In 6 months, this will be relegated to the "YEC" web sites.

[East of Eden]

I do not understand what dropping atomic bombs on Japan has to do with bible tales of genocide by "gods" -- UNLESS the worship of a genocidal "god" inspires or encourages worshipers to be similarly genocidal.

I was alive but not of voting age when the US dropped atomic bombs on Japan. However, from my perspective it was a horrid decision and a terrible mistake -- even if the Christian "god" is said to have done comparable (or worse) things to those who did not worship him.

The Japan nukings were completely justified, and probably saved hundreds of thousands of Japanese and US lives. Even so, there were elements in the Japanese military who didn't want to surrender after two nukes. The point is if finite and fallen man can make a decision like that, God can. If you can create life, you can take it.

I find it interesting that some who make the argument that a woman can 'do what she wants with her own body', i.e. abortion, deny God the right to do as He wills with His creation.

[Zzyzx]

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I do not understand what dropping atomic bombs on Japan has to do with bible tales of genocide by "gods" -- UNLESS the worship of a genocidal "god" inspires or encourages worshipers to be similarly genocidal.

The Japan nukings were completely justified,

As I said, those who worship a genocidal god may be likely to approve of genocide or indiscriminate killing of civilians.

That is one of the reasons I oppose organized, commercial religion (it is often divisive and often fosters conflict and warfare " much like its gods).

and probably saved hundreds of thousands of Japanese and US lives.

If Japan had made ONE offer to surrender, the saved lives argument is invalid. It is my understanding that such an offer was made.

However, the bombing of Japan is not related to the tale of the ark, and should be discussed elsewhere. Here it is a weak effort to justify tales of a god killing every human on Earth (save eight on a cruise) " when no other rationalization can be offered.

The only saving grace is that the tale cannot be shown to be anything more than myth, fantasy or fiction. It is only a tale in a book " that cannot be verified.

[Greatest I Am]

Could not help myself.
I guess I wanted to show the immorality of genocide.

You mean like when we nuked Japan in WWII?

No. I like being Canadian and not Japanese.
Further, that was not an intentional genocide.

If we ever do prove Noah's Ark then to me, that would just prove that Bible God is a genocidal maniac and an unjust God who would rather kill those He considers defective, when He has the power to just cure them.

He gives us free will, which many misuse. Would you want the love of someone who was forced to love you?

He also Gave Noah's people free will and became an Indian giver.
Do you also take back the gifts you give. If you follow your God you will.

We would have to charge Him with war crimes in absentia and we would find that genocidal fool guilty.

IMHO the judging will be the other way around.

That would make you a traitor to humanity.

Heil.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I Am]

Angel, you relate to the expression "skeptical Christian". May I ask what you associate exactly with "Noah's Ark"? By being "optimistic" about finding the Ark, what do you acknowledge follows this find? Everything in the OT relating to the Ark?

The only thing I'm wanting to know is if this is some remains of Noah's Ark. The story is fascinating to me, .

Why?

To bolster a pride in a God of genocide or to bolster shame?

Regards
DL

[Greatest I Am]

I do not understand what dropping atomic bombs on Japan has to do with bible tales of genocide by "gods" -- UNLESS the worship of a genocidal "god" inspires or encourages worshipers to be similarly genocidal.

I was alive but not of voting age when the US dropped atomic bombs on Japan. However, from my perspective it was a horrid decision and a terrible mistake -- even if the Christian "god" is said to have done comparable (or worse) things to those who did not worship him.

The Japan nukings were completely justified, and probably saved hundreds of thousands of Japanese and US lives. Even so, there were elements in the Japanese military who didn't want to surrender after two nukes. The point is if finite and fallen man can make a decision like that, God can. If you can create life, you can take it.

I find it interesting that some who make the argument that a woman can 'do what she wants with her own body', i.e. abortion, deny God the right to do as He wills with His creation.

I think that you would find that the greatest liberal thinker would balk at the taking of human life after life is given. Note what we do to those who kill their children or newborns.
The more you say, the less intelligent you sound. I hope you are young.
Time to grow up son.

Regards
DL

[McCulloch]

The Japan nukings were completely justified, and probably saved hundreds of thousands of Japanese and US lives.

Many historians and ethicists disagree. How does that relate to Noah's Ark?

The point is if finite and fallen man can make a decision like that, God can. If you can create life, you can take it.

God has no need to be just fair or good. Right.

[McCulloch]

Moderator Warning

That would make you a traitor to humanity.

Heil.

The more you say, the less intelligent you sound. I hope you are young.
Time to grow up son.

Mom said that if you don't have something good to say about someone, then you'd be better off not saying anything. Please debate the issues not the personalities.

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[Greatest I Am]

Moderator Warning

That would make you a traitor to humanity.

Heil.

The more you say, the less intelligent you sound. I hope you are young.
Time to grow up son.

Mom said that if you don't have something good to say about someone, then you'd be better off not saying anything. Please debate the issues not the personalities.

When the moderators feel the rules have been violated, a notice will frequently occur within the thread where the violation occurred, pointing out the violation and perhaps providing other moderator comments. Moderator warnings and comments are made publicly, within the thread, so that all members may see when and how the rules are being interpreted and enforced. However, note that any challenges or replies to moderator comments or warnings should be made via Private Message. This is so that threads do not get derailed into discussions about the rules.

To allow people to go around saying that a genocide used on man is justice deserves both barrels. Of speech of course.

To not say anything back to what is obviously an immoral and traitorous position is to have others think that I agree with it.

All I was doing was calling a traitor a traitor.
If he does not want that label then he should stop inciting others to be a traitor to humanity.

If more had stood up to Hitler then perhaps WWII would not have happened.

If we here cannot call a spade a spade then why are we here?

I appreciate your stance on civility but you may have noted that I was clear and concise and did not rant away on the poster. I was civil and admit that I could have left out the, Heil.

I stand by my statement that any that would stand there and cheer while humans die from the genocidal fit of any God, deserve and have earned the label of traitor.

I did not abuse the poster. I just stated a fact.
Please do not ban me for honesty.

Regards
DL