Noah's Ark

[East of Eden]

Anyone want to speculate how a large boat got on top of a 13,000' mountain?




Has Noah's Ark Been Found on Turkish Mountaintop?

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The remains of Noah's Ark have been discovered 13,000 feet up a Turkish mountain -- according to a sensational claim by evangelical explorers.


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Noahs Ark Ministries International

An explorer examines wooden beams inside what some are nearly certain is the remains of Noah's Ark.

A group of Chinese and Turkish evangelical explorers say wooden remains they have discovered on Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey are the remains of Noah's Ark.

The group claims that carbon dating proves the relics are 4,800 years old, meaning they date to around the same time the ark was said to be afloat. Mt. Ararat has long been suspected as the final resting place of the craft by evangelicals and literalists hoping to validate biblical stories.

Yeung Wing-Cheung, from the Noah's Ark Ministries International research team that made the discovery, said: "It's not 100 percent that it is Noah's Ark, but we think it is 99.9 percent that this is it."

There have been several reported discoveries of the remains of Noah's Ark over the years, most notably a find by archaeologist Ron Wyatt in 1987. At the time, the Turkish government officially declared a national park around his find, a boat-shaped object stretched across the mountains of Ararat.

Nevertheless, the evangelical ministry remains convinced that the current find is in fact more likely to be the actual artifact, calling upon Dutch Ark researcher Gerrit Aalten to verify its legitimacy.

The significance of this find is that for the first time in history the discovery of Noahs Ark is well documented and revealed to the worldwide community, Aalten said at a press conference announcing the find. Citing the many details that match historical accounts of the Ark, he believes it to be a legitimate archaeological discovery.

Theres a tremendous amount of solid evidence that the structure found on Mount Ararat in Eastern Turkey is the legendary Ark of Noah, said Aalten.

Representatives of Noah's Ark Ministries said the structure contained several compartments, some with wooden beams, that they believe were used to house animals.The group of evangelical archaeologists ruled out an established human settlement on the grounds none have ever been found above 11,000 feet in the vicinity, Yeung said.

During the press conference, team member Panda Lee described visiting the site. In October 2008, I climbed the mountain with the Turkish team. At an elevation of more than 4,000 meters, I saw a structure built with plank-like timber. Each plank was about 8 inches wide. I could see tenons, proof of ancient construction predating the use of metal nails."

We walked about 100 meters to another site. I could see broken wood fragments embedded in a glacier, and some 20 meters long. I surveyed the landscape and found that the wooden structure was permanently covered by ice and volcanic rocks."

Local Turkish officials will ask the central government in Ankara to apply for UNESCO World Heritage status so the site can be protected while a major archaeological dig is conducted.

The biblical story says that God decided to flood the Earth after seeing how corrupt it was. He then told Noah to build an ark and fill it with two of every animal species.

After the flood waters receded, the Bible says, the ark came to rest on a mountain. Many believe that Mount Ararat, the highest point in the region, is where the ark and her inhabitants ran aground.

[McCulloch]

You mean they think that they actually found it.
Again!?

I think that I'll wait until there are some legitimate scientists have a look and not rely on reports from Faux News.

THE ARK OF NOAH DISCOVERED IN TURKEY IN 1948

in 1977, Mr. Wyatt made his first of 24 trips to the ark,

Noah's Ark Discovered in Iran?

More listed on Wikipedia

[Zzyzx]

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Anyone want to speculate how a large boat got on top of a 13,000' mountain?

Anyone care to DEBATE if an "ark" as described in bible tales was actually built and used as described?

[East of Eden]

You mean they think that they actually found it.
Again!?

I think that I'll wait until there are some legitimate scientists have a look and not rely on reports from Faux News.

You mean America's most trusted news source? I prefer them to the liberal Democrats masquerading as mainstream journalists.

[fredonly]

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Archaeologically, discovery of the Ark could be the greatest discovery ever. Keep in mind, the purpose of the great Flood of Noah's day was to fully destroy every semblance of humankind and their wicked, violent civilizations. The Ark would be the one remaining link to that long-ago time.

Scientifically, discovery of the Ark would forever demonstrate that uniformity, the basic underlying assumption of evolution, is completely false. Finding a 450-foot boat on top of a 17,000-foot mountain would lead to the conclusion that earth's past has been quite different from anything possible today. Without uniformity, evolution cannot stand and would crumble in the eyes of anyone with an open mind.

Biblically, many would see obvious proof that the Bible is true, even these difficult stories of creation and the Flood, and be encouraged to consider the rest of Scripture. The Bible's veracity is not in jeopardy even if the Ark is not discovered, but wouldn't it be an encouragement to believers to see such overwhelming evidence? It would be His gift to His children.

---http://www.icr.org/article/4987/

Repent now, all you atheists! It's not too late!

[Crazy Ivan]

Anyone want to speculate how a large boat got on top of a 13,000' mountain?

So, assuming an actual boat-shape structure was found, we go from that to accepting it was capable of holding 7 pairs of every kosher animal, 7 pairs of every bird (about 140.000???), and 2 pairs of all the others? I trust that wasn't your point...

Aside from that, there is little point in speculating about probable hoaxes.

[micatala]

Anyone want to speculate how a large boat got on top of a 13,000' mountain?




Has Noah's Ark Been Found on Turkish Mountaintop?

FOXNews.com


Theres a tremendous amount of solid evidence that the structure found on Mount Ararat in Eastern Turkey is the legendary Ark of Noah, said Aalten.

Representatives of Noah's Ark Ministries said the structure contained several compartments, some with wooden beams, that they believe were used to house animals.The group of evangelical archaeologists ruled out an established human settlement on the grounds none have ever been found above 11,000 feet in the vicinity, Yeung said.

During the press conference, team member Panda Lee described visiting the site. In October 2008, I climbed the mountain with the Turkish team. At an elevation of more than 4,000 meters, I saw a structure built with plank-like timber. Each plank was about 8 inches wide. I could see tenons, proof of ancient construction predating the use of metal nails."

We walked about 100 meters to another site. I could see broken wood fragments embedded in a glacier, and some 20 meters long. I surveyed the landscape and found that the wooden structure was permanently covered by ice and volcanic rocks."

I'd like to see more details. For starters, is there any evidence what has been found was part of a boat? Were any curved pieces like might be found on a hull there?

Is there any evidence of salt embedded in the wood?

Why did they conclude this is the first discovery of an ancient boat at 11,000 feet and not the first discovery of a land-dwelling at 11,000 feet? Wouldn't the second be a lot less improbable than the first?

[McCulloch]

There have been many sightings of Noah's ark, including the following:

1. Berosus, ca. 275 B.C.E., reported remains of it in the mountains of the Gordyaeans in Armenia (p. 15).
2. Flavius Josephus mentions remains of the ark on Baris (16-17).
3. Several writers tell of St. Jacob of Medzpin, who persistently tried to climb Ararat. Angels commanded him to stop trying but brought him a plank from the ark (17-21).
4. Several accounts through history suggest that Armenians have knowledge of and wood from the ark (21-22).
5. In 1952, Harold Williams wrote a story told by Haji Yearam in 1916. According to the story, Yearam helped guide three scientists to the ark in 1856. Upon finding the ark sticking out of a glacier near the summit, the scientists flew into a rage and tried futilely to destroy it. Then they took an oath to keep the discovery a secret and murder anyone who revealed it. About 1918, Williams saw a newspaper article giving a scientist's deathbed confession, which corroborated Yearam's story (43-48).
6. In 1876, English explorer James Bryce found a four-foot long hand-tooled piece of wood on Ararat at the 13,000 feet level (51-55).
7. In 1883, a Turkish commission surveying Ararat for possible avalanche conditions found part of the ark protruding 20 or 30 feet from the foot of a glacier (56-58).
8. In 1887, on his third attempt to find the ark, Prince Nouri of Bhagdad found it on the higher peaks of Ararat (64-67).
9. In 1908 and again in 1910, a local Armenian, Georgie Hagopian, then just a boy, visited the ark with his uncle. The ark was on the edge of a cliff; its wood was like stone (69-72).
10. In 1916, a story by Vladimir Roskovitsky told how he and other Russian aviators sighted the ark, nearly intact, grounded on the shore of a lake on Ararat. An expedition reached the ark about a month later. Photographs and plans were sent to the czar, but the Bolsheviks overthrew the Czar a few days later, and the evidence was lost. Later testimony revealed that that account was 95 percent fiction, but other Russian soldiers have told of hearing of an expedition that discovered Noah's ark in 1917 (76-87).
11. Six Turkish soldiers climbed Ararat and saw the ark in 1916 (90-92).
12. A monestary at Echmiazin hosts a piece of wood reputedly from the ark (93-97).
13. While lost on Ararat in 1936, Hardwicke Knight found timbers of dark, soft wood (98-101).
14. Two American pilots saw the ark several times and once brought a photographer along. The photograph appeared in the Tunisian edition of Stars and Stripes in 1943. Many people remembered the article, but no copies remain (102-107).
15. Donald Liedmann met a Russian Air Force major in 1938 and 1943 who showed him pictures of the ark. It was mostly buried in a glacier. The photographs have never been released (109-112).
16. In 1948, a Kurdish farmer named Resit reported finding the prow of the ark about 2/3rds the way up Ararat, protruding from ice. The wood was black and too hard for him to cut off a piece (115-116).
17. A 1949 satellite photograph of the Western Plateau of Mt. Ararat shows an elongated box-like object which could be Noah's ark (Morris 2001).
18. In 1955, after two unsuccessful searches, Fernand Navarra found hand-hewn wood in the ice at the 13,750 foot level. He retrieved a small sample of the wood. However, even die-hard arkeologists suspect fraud. In 1969, small pieces of wood were found where Navarra directed people to dig. Again, fraud is suspected (129-134, 158-160).
19. George Green photographed the ark from a helicopter in 1953, but his pictures aroused no serious interest, and they are now lost (135-137).
20. The ERTS satellite photographed Noah's ark in 1973, but the satellite's resolution was insufficient (203-206).

Response:

1. What the reports of ark sightings have in common is that none has been corroborated. Most have few if any witnesses. Photographs and newspaper articles disappear, sometimes inexplicably, or they are too vague to be meaningful. Physical evidence either is not retrieved, is faked, or comes from recent wood carried up the mountain. They have the appearance of fables, not fact.
2. The reports are inconsistent. The ark has been found in different places on the mountain (and on different mountains, if you include earlier accounts). Its condition varies from almost intact to broken in half to only isolated timbers. The character of the wood varies from too hard to cut to falling apart at a touch. Some accounts make it sound like local residents visited the ark routinely, while other accounts stress the hardships encountered.
3. Noah's ark is the sort of subject that people would tell stories about. Some people might be motivated by misplaced piety to make up stories. Some have been motivated by money. Others might elaborate a story simply to get attention. Since the ark story is so famous, some people might conclude they have found the ark on the basis of ambiguous evidence. For example, they might misinterpret a blurry photograph or a shape seen through fog, or they might conclude that any wood they find is from the ark, although wood has been carried up Ararat in historical times for building crosses and huts.

From Claim CH500 at Talk Origins

As I said, I'll wait for independent validation.

See also Claim CH503, Claim CH501, Claim CH505.7, Claim CH502.2 (Hey, why can't we find it on Google maps?), Claim CH505.3, Claim CH505.5, Claim CH505.8, Claim CH504.2, Sun Goes Down in Flames, The Jammal Ark Hoax and The Incredible Mysteries of Sun Pictures .

[Greatest I Am]

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To believe the myth of Noah's Ark, one would have to believe that the O T is true history.

In it we see God turning staffs into snakes and miracles aplenty in Egypt, including where He hardens Pharaoh's heart so that He can murder the first born of Egypt. Not a nice thing to do at all.

One would also have to believe that God's perfect creations did not act as programmed and as always, ignored His laws and commandments.

Do you actually believe in talking animals and water walking and all the other bible miracles that I call fantasy?

I know that many think that the genocide of Noah's day was just good old justice against the wicked folk but that does not explain why God would murder innocent children and babies. It also does not explain how animals can be evil and also deserve destruction.

Christians also speak of the free will that God gives us.
Did He become the epitome of Indian Givers in that day?

Does that mean that He lies to man when saying, I give you free will instead of saying I will give you this gift till whenever I decide to claw it back?

If you follow that God, do you claw back the gifts you give if they are not used exactly the way you think they should be used?

Regards
DL

[East of Eden]

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To believe the myth of Noah's Ark, one would have to believe that the O T is true history.

I do.

In it we see God turning staffs into snakes and miracles aplenty in Egypt, including where He hardens Pharaoh's heart so that He can murder the first born of Egypt. Not a nice thing to do at all.

One would also have to believe that God's perfect creations did not act as programmed and as always, ignored His laws and commandments.

We have free will.

Do you actually believe in talking animals and water walking and all the other bible miracles that I call fantasy?

You can only disprove miracles if you can disprove God, and you can't do that. Because you haven't seen any isn't proof that they never happened.

I know that many think that the genocide of Noah's day was just good old justice against the wicked folk but that does not explain why God would murder innocent children and babies.

We did the same when we nuked Japan.

It also does not explain how animals can be evil and also deserve destruction.

Sin has consequences for the innocent also, unfortunately.

Christians also speak of the free will that God gives us.
Did He become the epitome of Indian Givers in that day?

Does that mean that He lies to man when saying, I give you free will instead of saying I will give you this gift till whenever I decide to claw it back?

If you follow that God, do you claw back the gifts you give if they are not used exactly the way you think they should be used?

Regards
DL

When did He take away our free will?