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Are Christians being targeted "for real?"

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Are Christians being targeted "for real?"

Do Christians endure being hated like no other group?

The Media's War on the "War on Christians" Conference
By Don Feder
FrontPageMagazine.com | March 31, 2006


Last week (March 27-28), Vision America convened a War On Christians conference in Washington, D.C. It was the first to address escalating attacks on Christians from Hollywood, the news media, academia, the courts, and activist groups like the ACLU and Anti-Defamation League.

Speakers included scholars, authors, clergy (among them an Orthodox rabbi), lawyers and members of Congress. Delegates came from as far away as South Africa. I was the conference coordinator, as well as a speaker on two panels ("Jews Confront the War On Christians" and "Hollywood: Christians Through a Distorted Lens").

You will be shocked shocked! to learn that the mainstream media did its best to trivialize and marginalize the conference: to present a thoughtful examination of the rising tide of anti-Christian bias and persecution as the work of hysterical, paranoid whack-jobs who are manufacturing a crisis to generate donations and mobilize Republican votes.

An alleged news story in The Washington Post, (March 29th) by Alan Cooperman, was headlined "War on Christians Is Alleged." Try to imagine the Post covering the 2005 conference Examining the Real Agenda of the Religious Far Right and headlining its story "Coming Theocracy Alleged."
Cooperman misidentified Dr. Rick Scarborough, president of Vision America (the conference host) as a "radio commentator." You know, one of those guys who screams at you over the airwaves. In fact, besides being the head of a growing national movement, Scarborough is a Baptist minister, an author and an acclaimed speaker.
Cooperman included extensive quotes attacking the conference SOP for reportage on conservative events. A professor of social ethics charged that the meeting was "a spoiled brat response by Christians who have always enjoyed the privileges of a majority position." A mainline Protestant cleric claimed that by calling attention to the war on Christians in the U.S., the conference "disrespects the experience of people who have been jailed and died because of their faith."
This theme dominated news "coverage" Christians are so powerful that its absurd to claim theyre persecuted. Thus, a commentary in USA Today (March 28th) by Tom Krattenmaker (who called the conferences theme "overblown" and reckless): "We are in the second term of the most faith-friendly, explicitly Christian presidency in many a decade.Hollywood is producing more Christian-friendly movies [like The DaVinci Code? DF] while Christian news media, Christian music, Christian novels and other forms of Christian pop culture continue making their strong mark on society." Im only surprised Krattenmaker didnt cite the presence of "In God We Trust" on our currency to refute claims of Christian persecution.
Apparently, a majority of Americans are equally hysterical, reckless and disrespectful of real persecution. According to a FOX News poll taken in December 2005, 59 percent of the American people agreed with conference organizers that "Christianity is under attack" in the U.S. today.

In reality, you have to be dogmatic, blind and biased which pretty much describes the mainstream media to miss the obvious here.

V for Vendetta is the most explicitly anti-Christian movie to date. Its set in a Britain, 20 years in the future, ruled by a murderous regime of Christian fanatics. (Would Warner Brothers distribute a film about Britain becoming an Islamic republic?) V for Vendetta was the number one box-office draw in its first week of release, and number two in its second, with a cumulative gross revenue of over $46 million.
The latest literary hatchet-job by Kevin Phillips (American Theocracy) claims our civilization will be undone by (among other things) a "milieu of radicalized (and much too influential) religion." With the faithful fighting to keep "One Nation Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance (and the teaching of Creationism recently banned by a federal judge lest students be inspired to meditate on the "G" word), Phillips charge that religion is much too influential in America should provoke peals of uproarious laughter. "American Theocracy" just made it on The New York Times Bestsellers list further evidence of the formidable power of radicalized religion.
In California, an employer can be fined $150,000 (thats not a typo) for firing a man who comes to work in a dress. Believe it or not, the law wasnt intended to target secular humanists.
Hewlett-Packard fired a Christian for posting near his cubicle a sign with Bible verses relating to the prohibition of men lying with men. This was in response to a celebrate sexual-diversity sign posted by the company. Hewlett-Packard does not celebrate diversity of opinion.
At colleges across the country, Christian groups have lost their accreditation for refusing to accept homosexuals as officers. Thus, at schools founded by Christians and endowed by Christians Christians are forced to choose between their conscience and the ability to hold meetings on campus.
In the New York City public school system, Moslem crescents and menorahs are displayed during certain holidays, but not Christmas trees or crches. Incredibly, school officials have decided that the former are non-religious (try telling that to bin Laden) but the latter strictly sectarian.
Recently, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors passed a unanimous resolution attacking the Catholic Church for teaching that children should be placed for adoption with mothers and fathers. The resolution called this "hateful and discriminatory."
Last weekend, the Christian youth group Teen Mania held a two-day revival for 25,000 kids in the city that inspired the moniker San Francisco Democrats. Supervisors labeled this "an act of provocation," while State Assemblyman Mark Leno called it a "fascist mega-pep rally."
Evangelicals have been described as "a clear and present danger to religious liberty in America" (former Labor Secretary Robert Reich), determined to "Christianize all aspects of American Life" (the ADLs Abraham Foxman), "moral retards" and "an ugly, violent lot" (City University of New York Professor Timothy Shortell), possessed of "the same kind of fundamentalist impulse that we see in Saudi Arabia" (Al Gore), and responsible for moving America "each day closer to a theocracy where a narrow and hateful brand of Christian fundamentalism will rule" (a full-page ad in The New York Times, signed by Jane Fonda, Ed Asner and other Hollywood savants).
And, in Philadelphia not quite two years ago, a group of Christians with Repent America were arrested for holding signs and quietly praying at a city-sponsored gay pride event. Though the Christians obeyed all police orders and were accosted by militants, they were arrested and spent 20 hours in jail. The City of Brotherly Love wanted to prosecute them for a laundry list of felonies, including criminal conspiracy. If convicted, they could have faced up to 47 years in prison. (Fortunately, a reality-based judge ruled the Christians were exercising their First Amendment rights and threw out the case.) No other group in America has seen its free-speech rights attacked in similar fashion.
Granted, the foregoing doesnt rise to the level of persecution in Afghanistan (where a man was threatened with death for converting to Christianity), Saudi Arabia (where the New Testament is contraband), or China (where the organizers of home churches are imprisoned). And, granted again, unlike Europe, Christianity is thriving in America.

But to say the presidency of George W. Bush proves the potency of conservative Christians is a real stretch.

Bushs rep as an "explicitly Christian" president is based mostly on the 2000 campaign, wherein he referred to Jesus as his favorite philosopher. Last year, White House "Christmas" cards didnt even mention by name the holiday celebrated by more than 90 percent of Americans. Bush invokes the Almighty no more than any of his predecessors.

Despite a GOP majority reputed to be the love-slaves of Jerry Falwell, its been almost two years since Congress voted a on a federal marriage amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Other than a ban on partial-birth abortion, the political agenda of Christian conservatives has been studiously ignored in our nations capital.

The news and entertainment media, public education, higher education, the judiciary and a fair number of corporations and foundations are in the hands of ideologues who despise Bible-believing Christians, and who rarely miss an opportunity to smear them, to foment hatred against them and to circumscribe their activities.

Give the National Socialists credit for candor. In 1920s Germany, if a Jew had said to a Nazi, "You hate me," the goose-steeper would have replied: "Youre right, Jew. And if we ever get a chance, well kill you." He would not have accused his victim of paranoia, hysteria, disrespecting real religious persecution, and making wild allegations for fundraising purposes.

The war on Christians is real. So too is the medias thoroughly biased coverage of same.

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And if they were female, it means the problem must be gone! Let's not bother with finding out for real if there really is a problem, lets just look at who the leaders are! :roll:

If there was a female president it wouldn't mean that there wouldn't be anyone hating women. What about the black presidents? Didn't totally get rid of racial hatred did it? But since there were some black presidents that must mean no-one hates them anymore!

And just what if it just so happens that right now there aren't any female presidents because none of the women who try just aren't any good? What if it has nothing to do with gender discrimination? Or should people vote not for the best leader but the female one? A bit blind..........

Forget it. I already sound like someone who's trying to garner sympathy for whomever. The point remains that Christians are hated by a decent population of people, fundamentalists in particular. I just wanted to point it out.

Pity this debate wasn't a poll........
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scorpia wrote:And if they were female, it means the problem must be gone! Let's not bother with finding out for real if there really is a problem, lets just look at who the leaders are
I think that you are unfairly misquoting me here. I am not suggesting that the leaders of a country imply any such thing. I come from a country where there is still a gender based pay gap but where the longest serving Prime Minister since 1850 was female.

My point is that although Christians are hated in some sectors, so are Hindus, Muslims, Atheists etc. The difference is that I have can no sympathy for Christians because they make up the largest and most powerful single religious group on the entire planet.

I may have sympathy for individual Christians who are currently being persecuted (Abdul Rahman is a great example). I cannot profess sympathy for the group as a whole.

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I think that you are unfairly misquoting me here. I am not suggesting that the leaders of a country imply any such thing.
My mistake then. Sorry.
My point is that although Christians are hated in some sectors, so are Hindus, Muslims, Atheists etc.
Okay, muslims, yeah they would be. But Hindus? Hardly anyone hates the Hindus. No-ones saying "Oh, look out! that person a Hindu he might be a terrorist!" Or "That guy is a Hindu he might abuse kids." I don't see many websites or social groups dedicated against them. Same goes for atheists, who outside of the internet don't even get much attention. And how can they be hated without attention?

Okay. Muslims might be the most. But I still reckon Christians would be like second or something. You yourself even say;
The difference is that I have can no sympathy for Christians because they make up the largest and most powerful single religious group on the entire planet.
Which causes everyone to hate it.
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scorpia wrote:My mistake then. Sorry.
:) Don't worry about it.
scorpia wrote:Hardly anyone hates the Hindus.
Sorry? Mulsim-Hindu violence and hatred has been going on for centuries, especially in mainland India.
scorpia wrote:...atheists, who outside of the internet don't even get much attention. And how can they be hated without attention?
This is not entirely true either. Atheism has been blamed by many theists for many of the atrocities of the 20th century.
I can see your point that because atheism has no central church nor governance it is difficult to point the finger at a direct campaign against atheism. However many people (James Dobson is a great and rather terrifying example) of people who synonymise atheism with secularism and attack this view as being a weakening of morals.

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Sorry? Mulsim-Hindu violence and hatred has been going on for centuries, especially in mainland India.
Well that's the first I've heard of it. Pardon my ignorance I guess I can find proof myself if need be but to what degree is this conflict, and if no one else but the Muslims hate them..........
This is not entirely true either. Atheism has been blamed by many theists for many of the atrocities of the 20th century.
And many theists AND atheists blame Christianity, for the attrocties of the 20th century. Or muslims for the 21st.......
However many people (James Dobson is a great and rather terrifying example) of people who synonymise atheism with secularism and attack this view as being a weakening of morals.
Never heard of him.......

Just how much of an attack is it? For I don't see atheists as particularly innocent of not doing this themsleves....
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The Hindu-Muslim conflict has been going since the Islamic invasion about 1500 years ago. Here is some information about the Hindu-Muslim conflict.
scropia wrote:but to what degree is this conflict
The conflict has centered on the territory of Kashmir and many analysts have feared that it may result in a full-scale nuclear war.
scorpia wrote:and if no one else but the Muslims hate them...
I'm sorry I don't understand this comment. I am pointing out that there is historical evidence for Hindus being attacked and persecuted. What are you saying here?
scorpia wrote:And many theists AND atheists blame Christianity, for the attrocties of the 20th century. Or muslims for the 21st
You are correct but I am trying to explain that atheists have not escaped these accusations. Many people have blamed a lack of theology on the countless millions killed in the former Soviet Union under Josef Stalin.
scorpia wrote:Never heard of him.......
Have a look here.
scorpia wrote:For I don't see atheists as particularly innocent of not doing this themsleves
I don't understand. Atheists would not blame secularism for societies problems this would represent a fundamental contradiction.

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O/R,

No one wants to hear the truth about Islam. Trust me. Being beheaded scares people.
My point is that although Christians are hated in some sectors, so are Hindus, Muslims, Atheists etc. The difference is that I have can no sympathy for Christians because they make up the largest and most powerful single religious group on the entire planet.
For what seems like many educated and well-thought out posts you presnt, you may want to run your numbers on Christians. There are qualifying factors. No seriously. The rules are in the New Testament. A very fast read.
I may have sympathy for individual Christians who are currently being persecuted (Abdul Rahman is a great example). I cannot profess sympathy for the group as a whole.
Now . . . are you really OccamsRazor or what or better yet Who?

All of a sudden I see you in a different "light."

Your judgment is true about the condition of "many" Christians. Just like Jesus said.

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1John2_26 wrote:No one wants to hear the truth about Islam. Trust me. Being beheaded scares people.
Just so that you do not remain uninformed, secular humanists do oppose Islam as we do all supernaturalist religions.
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1John2_26 wrote:Now . . . are you really OccamsRazor or what or better yet Who?

All of a sudden I see you in a different "light."
Sorry 1John, what do you mean? Do you mean that I have professed a differing opinion from other posts?
1John2_26 wrote:you may want to run your numbers on Christians. There are qualifying factors. No seriously. The rules are in the New Testament.
Are you suggesting that many of the groups in the 2.1billion self-proclaimed Christians are simply not Christian?

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1John2_26 wrote:
No one wants to hear the truth about Islam. Trust me. Being beheaded scares people.

Just so that you do not remain uninformed, secular humanists do oppose Islam as we do all supernaturalist religions.
Well, praise Jesus. He did the same thing.
The Need for Quranic Criticism
Humanist Scholars To Examine Islam And The Koran Ibn Warraq wrote:
...Quranic criticism, on the other hand, has lagged far behind. But surely, Muslims and non-Muslims have the right to critically examine the sources, the history, and dogma of Islam. The right to criticize is a right of which Muslims avail themselves in their frequent denunciations of Western culture, in terms that would have been deemed racist, neocolonialist, or imperialist had they been directed against Islam by a European. Without criticism, Islam will remain unassailed in its dogmatic, fanatical, medieval fortress: ossified, totalitarian, and intolerant. It will continue to stifle thought, human rights, individuality, originality, and truth. ... There is among many well-meaning Western intellectuals, academics, and Islamologists the belief that Islam will somehow reform itself without anyone anywhere ruffling any feathers, disturbing Muslim sensibilities, or saying anything at all about the Quran. This is wishful thinking. ...


Why Critical Scrutiny of Islam Is an Utmost Necessity
Can reason blunt fanaticism?
Human Development in the Arab World: Islam is Blocking Progress
by John L. Perkins
Institute for the Secularisation of Islamic Society

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Amen brother. I support these endeavors 100%.

O/R, what's up?
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Now . . . are you really OccamsRazor or what or better yet Who?

All of a sudden I see you in a different "light."

Sorry 1John, what do you mean? Do you mean that I have professed a differing opinion from other posts?


Your judgments are not all that bad. Your intution is fairly sharp and very Jesus oriented. Just watch?
1John2_26 wrote:
you may want to run your numbers on Christians. There are qualifying factors. No seriously. The rules are in the New Testament.

Are you suggesting that many of the groups in the 2.1billion self-proclaimed Christians are simply not Christian?


No. But Jesus did. I just follow the logic He proclaimed to its rational conclusion. The rules are laid down in the New Testament. That would be "the Christian" religion.

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