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Are Christians being targeted "for real?"

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Are Christians being targeted "for real?"

Do Christians endure being hated like no other group?

The Media's War on the "War on Christians" Conference
By Don Feder
FrontPageMagazine.com | March 31, 2006


Last week (March 27-28), Vision America convened a War On Christians conference in Washington, D.C. It was the first to address escalating attacks on Christians from Hollywood, the news media, academia, the courts, and activist groups like the ACLU and Anti-Defamation League.

Speakers included scholars, authors, clergy (among them an Orthodox rabbi), lawyers and members of Congress. Delegates came from as far away as South Africa. I was the conference coordinator, as well as a speaker on two panels ("Jews Confront the War On Christians" and "Hollywood: Christians Through a Distorted Lens").

You will be shocked shocked! to learn that the mainstream media did its best to trivialize and marginalize the conference: to present a thoughtful examination of the rising tide of anti-Christian bias and persecution as the work of hysterical, paranoid whack-jobs who are manufacturing a crisis to generate donations and mobilize Republican votes.

An alleged news story in The Washington Post, (March 29th) by Alan Cooperman, was headlined "War on Christians Is Alleged." Try to imagine the Post covering the 2005 conference Examining the Real Agenda of the Religious Far Right and headlining its story "Coming Theocracy Alleged."
Cooperman misidentified Dr. Rick Scarborough, president of Vision America (the conference host) as a "radio commentator." You know, one of those guys who screams at you over the airwaves. In fact, besides being the head of a growing national movement, Scarborough is a Baptist minister, an author and an acclaimed speaker.
Cooperman included extensive quotes attacking the conference SOP for reportage on conservative events. A professor of social ethics charged that the meeting was "a spoiled brat response by Christians who have always enjoyed the privileges of a majority position." A mainline Protestant cleric claimed that by calling attention to the war on Christians in the U.S., the conference "disrespects the experience of people who have been jailed and died because of their faith."
This theme dominated news "coverage" Christians are so powerful that its absurd to claim theyre persecuted. Thus, a commentary in USA Today (March 28th) by Tom Krattenmaker (who called the conferences theme "overblown" and reckless): "We are in the second term of the most faith-friendly, explicitly Christian presidency in many a decade.Hollywood is producing more Christian-friendly movies [like The DaVinci Code? DF] while Christian news media, Christian music, Christian novels and other forms of Christian pop culture continue making their strong mark on society." Im only surprised Krattenmaker didnt cite the presence of "In God We Trust" on our currency to refute claims of Christian persecution.
Apparently, a majority of Americans are equally hysterical, reckless and disrespectful of real persecution. According to a FOX News poll taken in December 2005, 59 percent of the American people agreed with conference organizers that "Christianity is under attack" in the U.S. today.

In reality, you have to be dogmatic, blind and biased which pretty much describes the mainstream media to miss the obvious here.

V for Vendetta is the most explicitly anti-Christian movie to date. Its set in a Britain, 20 years in the future, ruled by a murderous regime of Christian fanatics. (Would Warner Brothers distribute a film about Britain becoming an Islamic republic?) V for Vendetta was the number one box-office draw in its first week of release, and number two in its second, with a cumulative gross revenue of over $46 million.
The latest literary hatchet-job by Kevin Phillips (American Theocracy) claims our civilization will be undone by (among other things) a "milieu of radicalized (and much too influential) religion." With the faithful fighting to keep "One Nation Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance (and the teaching of Creationism recently banned by a federal judge lest students be inspired to meditate on the "G" word), Phillips charge that religion is much too influential in America should provoke peals of uproarious laughter. "American Theocracy" just made it on The New York Times Bestsellers list further evidence of the formidable power of radicalized religion.
In California, an employer can be fined $150,000 (thats not a typo) for firing a man who comes to work in a dress. Believe it or not, the law wasnt intended to target secular humanists.
Hewlett-Packard fired a Christian for posting near his cubicle a sign with Bible verses relating to the prohibition of men lying with men. This was in response to a celebrate sexual-diversity sign posted by the company. Hewlett-Packard does not celebrate diversity of opinion.
At colleges across the country, Christian groups have lost their accreditation for refusing to accept homosexuals as officers. Thus, at schools founded by Christians and endowed by Christians Christians are forced to choose between their conscience and the ability to hold meetings on campus.
In the New York City public school system, Moslem crescents and menorahs are displayed during certain holidays, but not Christmas trees or crches. Incredibly, school officials have decided that the former are non-religious (try telling that to bin Laden) but the latter strictly sectarian.
Recently, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors passed a unanimous resolution attacking the Catholic Church for teaching that children should be placed for adoption with mothers and fathers. The resolution called this "hateful and discriminatory."
Last weekend, the Christian youth group Teen Mania held a two-day revival for 25,000 kids in the city that inspired the moniker San Francisco Democrats. Supervisors labeled this "an act of provocation," while State Assemblyman Mark Leno called it a "fascist mega-pep rally."
Evangelicals have been described as "a clear and present danger to religious liberty in America" (former Labor Secretary Robert Reich), determined to "Christianize all aspects of American Life" (the ADLs Abraham Foxman), "moral retards" and "an ugly, violent lot" (City University of New York Professor Timothy Shortell), possessed of "the same kind of fundamentalist impulse that we see in Saudi Arabia" (Al Gore), and responsible for moving America "each day closer to a theocracy where a narrow and hateful brand of Christian fundamentalism will rule" (a full-page ad in The New York Times, signed by Jane Fonda, Ed Asner and other Hollywood savants).
And, in Philadelphia not quite two years ago, a group of Christians with Repent America were arrested for holding signs and quietly praying at a city-sponsored gay pride event. Though the Christians obeyed all police orders and were accosted by militants, they were arrested and spent 20 hours in jail. The City of Brotherly Love wanted to prosecute them for a laundry list of felonies, including criminal conspiracy. If convicted, they could have faced up to 47 years in prison. (Fortunately, a reality-based judge ruled the Christians were exercising their First Amendment rights and threw out the case.) No other group in America has seen its free-speech rights attacked in similar fashion.
Granted, the foregoing doesnt rise to the level of persecution in Afghanistan (where a man was threatened with death for converting to Christianity), Saudi Arabia (where the New Testament is contraband), or China (where the organizers of home churches are imprisoned). And, granted again, unlike Europe, Christianity is thriving in America.

But to say the presidency of George W. Bush proves the potency of conservative Christians is a real stretch.

Bushs rep as an "explicitly Christian" president is based mostly on the 2000 campaign, wherein he referred to Jesus as his favorite philosopher. Last year, White House "Christmas" cards didnt even mention by name the holiday celebrated by more than 90 percent of Americans. Bush invokes the Almighty no more than any of his predecessors.

Despite a GOP majority reputed to be the love-slaves of Jerry Falwell, its been almost two years since Congress voted a on a federal marriage amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Other than a ban on partial-birth abortion, the political agenda of Christian conservatives has been studiously ignored in our nations capital.

The news and entertainment media, public education, higher education, the judiciary and a fair number of corporations and foundations are in the hands of ideologues who despise Bible-believing Christians, and who rarely miss an opportunity to smear them, to foment hatred against them and to circumscribe their activities.

Give the National Socialists credit for candor. In 1920s Germany, if a Jew had said to a Nazi, "You hate me," the goose-steeper would have replied: "Youre right, Jew. And if we ever get a chance, well kill you." He would not have accused his victim of paranoia, hysteria, disrespecting real religious persecution, and making wild allegations for fundraising purposes.

The war on Christians is real. So too is the medias thoroughly biased coverage of same.

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As can be seen in the New Testament that I do not pervert, no one is allowed to harm another person.
1John,
You only think/believe you don't "harm" others. The way you interpret and administer what you think/believe you know, is not likely beneficial to others; in fact, it certainly appears that you don't mind putting undue pressure upon those who are "homosexual". Your purpose (if it's good), is very difficult to see, yet you sound as if you are on a very holy mission.

You may not think so, or believe what I'm saying; and in enough ways the Bible opposes the kind of things you are saying (the meaning of them).

It's not worth arguing with YOU about the Bible (or what's in it), for reasons described by many here, but for the record I wanted to say it again. And this is one part of the overall argument that I WILL "loop", as much as necessary.

So, you go on living life; we all can learn from it.

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Hewlett-Packard fired a Christian for posting near his cubicle a sign with Bible verses relating to the prohibition of men lying with men.
Why did the "Christian" pick those particular "verses"? And do you know the company's policy as it relates to expressing religion or discrimination based upon gender and/or sexual-orientation in the workplace (which all workers are required to adhere to)? You GOT to realize that people can be JERKS; and using the "Bible" to be that, doesn't give anyone a free pass to harass or condemn others, especially NOT in the workplace.

This ISN'T an theocracy (yet) and HP is not an exclusively "Christian" coporation. And just as some "private" Christian corporations can choose to reject homosexuals or certain forms of homosexual expression, so it goes with HP not discriminating based upon religion or biblical "interpretation".
If wanting homosexuals not to live in homosexuality is a sin then I see why the disciples were tortured and killed.
I'm certain enough that Christian "bigots" will draw serious criticism to themselves. And it isn't likely that the disciples were killed as a result of their views on homosexuality. I'm willing to bet that they were as reasonable about that as most tolerant Christians would be. No one is perfect where it concerns the LAW or the Bible itself.

BTW, you still haven't proven many of your claims (biblically or otherwise); you have however stated your position (opinion) as 99.8% of people on this thread have also done. You should understand (Old/New Testament or not) that is what you have done.

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melikio wrote:And just as some "private" Christian corporations can choose to reject homosexuals or certain forms of homosexual expression
Are they allowed to do this in the US? They are not allowed to do so in the EU. No European company (public or private) may base the decision to hire, fire, promote, demote etc. on sexual orientation.

This is a law that 1John calls making Christianity a "hate-crime". I personally call it a policy of tolerance and non-discrimination.

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OR. wrote: I personally call it a policy of tolerance and non-discrimination.
Yes, that is what those policies truly are. And any Christian working there likely had the policy stated clearly to them before they were employed there. Most of us (probably ALL of us) sign a contract stating what we agree to abide as literal terms of employment.

On top of that, the Christian fellow was likely warned about the issue, before he was terminated.

It would have made MUCH MORE spiritual and social sense, to invite the homosexual co-worker/s to lunch, and just discussed what they did or did not believe. But so often in this society, the average Christian gets the notion that they are above others; that they can truly dictate the form and function of other people's lives. For the most part, that is what's being opposed in general; it isn't the same as "targeting" Christianity as a whole, no more than criticizing radical Islamist's actions might be.

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Why should Christians be concerned?

I couldn't find and undo Mohammad site. Can anyone help?
Welcome to undoJesus.org
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1John2_26 wrote:Why should Christians be concerned?
Christians do their utmost to try to convince others that atheism, liberalism, communism, islam, secularism et al are dangerous. Surely, others should have the freedom to try to prove otherwise.
1John2_26 wrote:I couldn't find and undo Mohammad site. Can anyone help?
Best I could come up with on short notice:
  1. Institute for the Secularisation of Islamic Society
  2. Secular Islam.NET
  3. the Islam page of infidels.org
  4. The official website of Irshad Manji
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Did you check out the undoJesus T-Shirt?

Think it would be OK at a school?

Thanks for the webistes.

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1John2_26 wrote:Did you check out the undoJesus T-Shirt?

Think it would be OK at a school?
I see no problem with the T-shirt at school.
I would also have no problem with schoolkids seeing T-shirts saying "Down with Darwin" or "Atheism is nonsense". Do you honestly think that a theological or philosphical point of view should not be questioned in school? I think that schools are exactly the place to question established tenets.

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