Zeus or Jehovah, who is better?

[Willum]

Zeus leads his pantheon of angels and vicars on Earth, and under Zeus' divine wisdom, man received the following gifts.

Modern languages, Astronomy, Philosophy; many philosophies, Education, Mathematics, Architecture, concrete, refined sciences, surgery and medicine, Roads, the Calendar, history, news, public welfare: the supply of vegetables in winter (preventing scurvy and health problems), and supply of meats and grain in winter, bound books, roads, modern law, many engineerings, the modern alphabet, glass, light houses, mills, glazed pottery, modern soap and this is not a complete list, and possibly the most important invention, the one that makes a city modern and healthy, even today, the clean water and sewage system. How one gets to his heaven is righteousness and heroism.
Famine,mortality and infant deaths approached modern times.

Yahweh, leads his pantheon of angels and vicars on Earth, and performed the following:

He came after, whom essentially stripped away every one of Zeus' benefits, because they were from Zeus, and evil, replacing it with his truth and love, which included superiority of one race over others, a demeaning system of slavery, misogyny, more genocides than any other God, that cleanliness polluted your soul, that this God alone should heal, not men, that math and engineering were sorcery and led you to Hell, that the only truth was from one book, that famine and death were punishment for man's evil, that other schools of thought were evil. Insisted people only be educated in prescribed ways, like that the Sun moved around the Earth, and that nitrogen-fixing crops were against his will, but did say that a non-burdening system of sin removal would get you to heaven. This God also is in close communications with his followers, though not a single one can prove this.

Follow-up question, which one seems more real, one that seems to make judgments from ignorance, harming humanity, or one that seems genuinely interested in weal? Which God would you choose. Feel free to enter in other beneficial characteristics of either god, if you think I've missed any, and propose counter arguments.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 55 by JehovahsWitness]

So, your claim is that since your religious brethren murdered and oppressed Jove's followers for thousands of years, that yours is the right religion?

Jehovah's Witnesses have never taken part in any wars and have always been firmly non-violent. If there is blood on anyone's hands it most certainly would not be on those of my religious brethren (Fellow Jehovah's Witnesses).


JW

And your Jewish and Christian brethren? You are standing on their shoulders, after all... I repeat the question.

So, your claim is that since your religious brethren murdered and oppressed Jove's followers for thousands of years, that yours is the right religion?

[JehovahsWitness]

And your Jewish and Christian brethren? You are standing on their shoulders, after all...

Why because YOU say so? What are you the Shoulder Police? *I* (not you) am the best judge of who I consider my Christian brothers or on whose shoulders I stand. Or do I get to tell you your brother is Joseph Stalin and you stand on the shoulders of Pol Pot?

[Willum]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness]

My brethren are all mankind, atheist and religious alike.
Objecting to the word "brethren?" OK, I withdraw it.

Just answer the question: Is Yahweh the true god because his followers murdered and oppressed all his competition?
Is Yahweh the true god because his followers destroyed all the benevolence that were gained under Zeus' auspices because they were evil and untrue?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness]

My brethren are all mankind, atheist and religious alike.

Congratulations. I consider mankind my neighbour, but my fellow Jehovah' s Witnesses my brothers in the faith. Any spiritual, moral or religious ties I have to the collective actions of the past are with them and them alone.

And as I stated earlier in post 59, participation in wars and political or religious oppression, are not part of our history.

JW

ps: I don't answer loaded questions.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 64 by JehovahsWitness]

Your particular sect is unwilling to do what your predecessors did, OK, granted.
Just answer the question.
Is Yahweh the true god because his followers murdered and oppressed all his competition?
and
Is Yahweh the true god because his followers destroyed all the benevolence that were gained under Zeus' auspices because they were evil and untrue?

[OnceConvinced]

The census figures for New Zealand indicate that all Jehovah worshipping is dropping dramatically in New Zealand.

Firstly, you do know that New Zealand isn't the whole world right?

Of course. That is why I only showed New Zealand figures. Unlike people from other countries we are well aware that we are not the only country on the planet and what happens here is not necessarily typical of the rest of the world. Nor do we expect it to be. You asked me questions directly related to my experiences. As I live in New Zealand, I speak in relation to New Zealand.

I have not had JWs knock on my door for well over 10 years.

As far as populations go NZ beautiful country as it is, has a tiny population. Globally Jehovah's Witnesses are on the increase and the overall trend for New Zealand is more or less holding steady with a slight rise of nearly 1000 over the past decade. Certainly there is no evidence their numbers are "dropping dramatically" in that country.

Christianity is dropping dramatically in New Zealand. The Census shows us this.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_New_Zealand

Now take a look at the link above and see the breakdown of religion. You will see there that from 2001, JW has decreased from .51% to .46% in 2013. You may claim that is not dramatic, but seeing the trends I say it is very dramatic. It shows that it is on a slide just like all the other religions. There is nothing special about it. There is clearly no true god behind it.

Australia (a much larger country) shows similar trends.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Australia

2006 - 13, 427
2007 - 13, 626
2008 - 13, 852
2009 - 14, 109
2010 - 14, 091
2011 - 14, 382
2012 - 14, 507
2013 - 13, 969
2014 - 14, 096
2015 - 14, 501
2016 - 14, 224

Percentages are way more telling than simple numbers like this. That would give a more accurate description of whether JW is growing or decreasing around the world. Increase in numbers can be explained by population growth and you would expect that JWs would indoctrinated their children. However percentages give a more accurate account of just how well a religion is doing. As to whether is thriving or dying.

I would expect that if JW was the true Christian religion, then it would be growing dramatically percentagewise as it would have the one true God behind it. However I would expect religions that are man made with no real god behind them to be dying percentagewise.

[Willum]

[Replying to OnceConvinced]

Interestingly Paganism seems to be making a comeback.
http://wildhunt.org/

Who knows? Maybe Zeus will make a come back!

[McCulloch]

Jehovah promised to defeat Satan, yet His followers are warned against Satan's influence.
Odin promised to defeat the Ice Giants. Have you seen an Ice Giant recently? They have been defeated; unlike Jehovah, Odin kept his promise.

[KenRU]

Jehovah promised to defeat Satan, yet His followers are warned against Satan's influence.
Odin promised to defeat the Ice Giants. Have you seen an Ice Giant recently? They have been defeated; unlike Jehovah, Odin kept his promise.

I thought Thor promised that?

Lol, see my post 40.

[Elijah John]

Jehovah promised to defeat Satan, yet His followers are warned against Satan's influence.
Odin promised to defeat the Ice Giants. Have you seen an Ice Giant recently? They have been defeated; unlike Jehovah, Odin kept his promise.

Have you experienced a cold Scandanavian winter lately? Are you sure the Ice Giants and the elements they personify have been defeated?

As for YHVH vs Satan, how can you say? The jury, as they say, is still out and the battle rages on.