Zeus or Jehovah, who is better?

[Willum]

Zeus leads his pantheon of angels and vicars on Earth, and under Zeus' divine wisdom, man received the following gifts.

Modern languages, Astronomy, Philosophy; many philosophies, Education, Mathematics, Architecture, concrete, refined sciences, surgery and medicine, Roads, the Calendar, history, news, public welfare: the supply of vegetables in winter (preventing scurvy and health problems), and supply of meats and grain in winter, bound books, roads, modern law, many engineerings, the modern alphabet, glass, light houses, mills, glazed pottery, modern soap and this is not a complete list, and possibly the most important invention, the one that makes a city modern and healthy, even today, the clean water and sewage system. How one gets to his heaven is righteousness and heroism.
Famine,mortality and infant deaths approached modern times.

Yahweh, leads his pantheon of angels and vicars on Earth, and performed the following:

He came after, whom essentially stripped away every one of Zeus' benefits, because they were from Zeus, and evil, replacing it with his truth and love, which included superiority of one race over others, a demeaning system of slavery, misogyny, more genocides than any other God, that cleanliness polluted your soul, that this God alone should heal, not men, that math and engineering were sorcery and led you to Hell, that the only truth was from one book, that famine and death were punishment for man's evil, that other schools of thought were evil. Insisted people only be educated in prescribed ways, like that the Sun moved around the Earth, and that nitrogen-fixing crops were against his will, but did say that a non-burdening system of sin removal would get you to heaven. This God also is in close communications with his followers, though not a single one can prove this.

Follow-up question, which one seems more real, one that seems to make judgments from ignorance, harming humanity, or one that seems genuinely interested in weal? Which God would you choose. Feel free to enter in other beneficial characteristics of either god, if you think I've missed any, and propose counter arguments.

[OnceConvinced]

The JWs may be a big shot in the world of religion right now, but in 50 years from now, will they still be big shots? Maybe now is their time? There 30 seconds of fame.. as it were. But their popularity may fade. Just like with Zeus.

In 50 years there may be some new religion that has taken a foothold that is claiming to be special because they're around and they're popular... unlike gods of old.

Just look at Scientology. Think how big that's become in what...? 40 years? If a joke religion like that can become so successful, then it's no surprising that other religions can too.

I think as far as longevity is concerned Jehovah's Witnesses are mere babes. Lets see if are remembered in a 1000 years from now as much as Zeus is!

[4insight]

Zeus leads his pantheon of angels and vicars on Earth, and under Zeus' divine wisdom, man received the following gifts.

Modern languages, Astronomy, Philosophy; many philosophies, Education, Mathematics, Architecture, concrete, refined sciences, surgery and medicine, Roads, the Calendar, history, news, public welfare: the supply of vegetables in winter (preventing scurvy and health problems), and supply of meats and grain in winter, bound books, roads, modern law, many engineerings, the modern alphabet, glass, light houses, mills, glazed pottery, modern soap and this is not a complete list, and possibly the most important invention, the one that makes a city modern and healthy, even today, the clean water and sewage system. How one gets to his heaven is righteousness and heroism.
Famine,mortality and infant deaths approached modern times.

Yahweh, leads his pantheon of angels and vicars on Earth, and performed the following:

He came after, whom essentially stripped away every one of Zeus' benefits, because they were from Zeus, and evil, replacing it with his truth and love, which included superiority of one race over others, a demeaning system of slavery, misogyny, more genocides than any other God, that cleanliness polluted your soul, that this God alone should heal, not men, that math and engineering were sorcery and led you to Hell, that the only truth was from one book, that famine and death were punishment for man's evil, that other schools of thought were evil. Insisted people only be educated in prescribed ways, like that the Sun moved around the Earth, and that nitrogen-fixing crops were against his will, but did say that a non-burdening system of sin removal would get you to heaven. This God also is in close communications with his followers, though not a single one can prove this.

Follow-up question, which one seems more real, one that seems to make judgments from ignorance, harming humanity, or one that seems genuinely interested in weal? Which God would you choose. Feel free to enter in other beneficial characteristics of either god, if you think I've missed any, and propose counter arguments.

The word Jesus is pronounced" Iesoos" EEE-AA-SOOS. I think that the pagans at the time had heard of the miracles of Jesus and decided to spread there own pagan version about Jesus. Like Apollo was known for doing miracles as well, but there's a mythology god that had came about later on about Apollos.


1 Corinthians 3:4 For when one says, I follow Paul, and another, I follow Apollos, are you not mere human beings?


http://www.greekmythology.com/Olympians ... pollo.html

[Willum]

[Replying to 4insight]

Not sure what you are getting at here. But your claim about pronunciation is incorrect. There was no "J" in Latin or Greek, and the languages pronunciation rules do not support your assertion.

The "s" is definitely a hard s, "z" sound. Like Zeus. Yay Zeus, is one pronunciation, as in "Hallelujah Zeus."

It is probably derived from Dionysus, whose name means God from Zeus, Jesus being a short-cut, Dionysus. Ysus, with "y" pronounced like yellow.

How does this address the topic of Zeus being a benevolent god, and Yahweh removing all that benevolence - in the name of love?

[4insight]

[Replying to 4insight]

Not sure what you are getting at here. But your claim about pronunciation is incorrect. There was no "J" in Latin or Greek, and the languages pronunciation rules do not support your assertion.

The "s" is definitely a hard s, "z" sound. Like Zeus. Yay Zeus, is one pronunciation, as in "Hallelujah Zeus."

It is probably derived from Dionysus, whose name means God from Zeus, Jesus being a short-cut, Dionysus. Ysus, with "y" pronounced like yellow.

How does this address the topic of Zeus being a benevolent god, and Yahweh removing all that benevolence - in the name of love?

Yes, there were no "J's" in the ancient language. The letter "J" has came into the scene when Martin Luther had translated it into the German language. The word Jesus is the Greek translation of the word Hebrew name Joshua (Yahsuwah).

The original Latin language had came from Spain. But when they had colonized the the Americas, the missionaries had taught the Natives their language, but with loan words from their original language. Like in our days. Most Spanish speaking Americans are not really speaking not properly speaking Spanish the way they speaks it south of the border. Because we uses loan-words from the English language into sentences. The same like Moses, He spoken very little of the language that the Hebrews has spoken, but he spoken the Egyptian's language very well. That is why he had to have his brother Aaron to speak for him to the Hebrews, because he didn't speak Hebrew very well.


Here's some versus that shows that Moses did not spoken Hebrew very well because he was raised as an Egyptian. And that is why the Books had loan-words from the Egyptian's language.

Exodus 4:14 Then the Lords anger burned against Moses and he said, What about your brother, Aaron the Levite? I know he can speak well. He is already on his way to meet you, and he will be glad to see you.

Acts 7:22 Moses was educated in all the wisdom of the Egyptians and was powerful in speech and action.


J.W. Hayford writes: "Jewish tradition lists Moses as the author of Genesis and of the next four books....we notice a number of loanwords from Egyptian that are found in Genesis, a fact which suggests that the original author had his roots in Egypt, as did Moses." 7 http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_tora.htm

[JehovahsWitness]

The JWs may be a big shot in the world of religion right now ...

Well we never set out to be "big shots"; if you suggest we may be considered as such all we can do is thank you. That said, Jesus indicated true religion would be in the minority with (relatively) few finding it; so small is a scriptural point for it.

in 50 years from now, will they still be big shots?

Well anybody can speculate, but the facts are that their numbers always have and continue to, increase. If we base a 50 year projection on current trends the answer has to be... yes. If based on some people's sincere wishes no, but the facts indicate the contrary.

But their popularity may fade. Just like with Zeus. [...]

Here you seem to be comparing the god with the number of worshippers. The modern day organization of Jehovah's Witness worshippers has only been around for about 100 years, JEHOVAH the God they worship has been around for as long as Zeus. Unlike Zeus though, Jehovah is still going strong if the increasing numbers of his worshippers willing to testify as to his current goverment by preaching door to door is any indication. When was the last time you had a Zeus Witness knock on your door? In fact, when was the first time you had one?

[...] I think as far as longevity is concerned Jehovah's Witnesses are mere babes. Lets see if are remembered in a 1000 years from now as much as Zeus is!

Time indeed will tell and since I plan on being around 1000 years from now, I'll be in a position to say one way or the other.


JW

[Willum]

[Replying to post 55 by JehovahsWitness]

So, your claim is that since your religious brethren murdered and oppressed Jove's followers for thousands of years, that yours is the right religion?

[Willum]

[Replying to post 54 by 4insight]

Well that story is the official religious version. However, Joshua would never be written Jesus in Latin or Greek. So, that story is wrong somewhere. It is missing a syllable, at least, and the consonants and vowels sounds are all wrong too. In short, the transformation of Joshua to Jesus is a red herring.

Joshua has three syllables. Latin will usually add another syllable. Making it Joshe-ous, like it did with the Book of Joshua, spelled inconveniently differently from what everyone wants.

In any case, there is not arguing with folks who won't look into the non-Judeo-Christian etymology of names.

So back to topic.

[OnceConvinced]

The JWs may be a big shot in the world of religion right now ...

Well we never set out to be "big shots"; if you suggest we may be considered as such all we can do is thank you. p

No, I don't believe that at all. I see JW as a minor denomination of Christianity. One that is generally considered as a cult by other Christians and even non-Christians. I am simply trying to be generous towards our JW members here.

That said, Jesus indicated true religion would be in the minority with (relatively) few finding it; so small is a scriptural point for it.

And what a great way to endorse your own religion. Make predictions that only a few will believe and that there will be many against it. I would probably say the same things if I started my own religion. I'd predict the most likely outcomes and then when they occur claim that I must be divine because I prophesized them. Of course if you are going to promote ludicrous ideas and things that aren't ture, the majority will reject them.

However if there was a real god involved, I would expect my god to be very influential. I would expect he would be powerful enough to convince the majority that he is the one to worship.

If we base a 50 year projection on current trends the answer has to be... yes. If based on some people's sincere wishes no, but the facts indicate the contrary.

It would seem that at one stage the Zeus religion would have been the same. Especially considering that it's still a well known and famous religion. Trends change.

But their popularity may fade. Just like with Zeus. [...]

Here you seem to be comparing the god with the number of worshippers. The modern day organization of Jehovah's Witness worshippers has only been around for about 100 years, JEHOVAH the God they worship has been around for as long as Zeus.

And apparently all the Jehovah worshippers were getting it wrong all the time until the JW religion started up.

Many Christians would say that the Jehovah worshipped by the JWs is not their Jehovah. But that is another debate.

Unlike Zeus though, Jehovah is still going strong if the increasing numbers of his worshippers willing to testify as to his current goverment by preaching door to door is any indication. When was the last time you had a Zeus Witness knock on your door?

When was the last time a Jehovah Witness did? It's been over 10 years! The census figures for New Zealand indicate that all Jehovah worshipping is dropping dramatically in New Zealand. Jehovah is going the same way as Zeus down here.

I'm guessing that if there were Zeus worshippers here in my country and they were a rude enough religion to go banging on people's doors, disturbing people and trying to shove religion on them, I would have had one by now. For all I know there could be Zeus door knockers in other countries.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 55 by JehovahsWitness]

So, your claim is that since your religious brethren murdered and oppressed Jove's followers for thousands of years, that yours is the right religion?

Jehovah's Witnesses have never taken part in any wars and have always been firmly non-violent. If there is blood on anyone's hands it most certainly would not be on those of my religious brethren (Fellow Jehovah's Witnesses).


JW

[JehovahsWitness]

The census figures for New Zealand indicate that all Jehovah worshipping is dropping dramatically in New Zealand.

Firstly, you do know that New Zealand isn't the whole world right? As far as populations go NZ beautiful country as it is, has a tiny population. Globally Jehovah's Witnesses are on the increase and the overall trend for New Zealand is more or less holding steady with a slight rise of nearly 1000 over the past decade. Certainly there is no evidence their numbers are "dropping dramatically" in that country.

Still, I'm interested if New Zealand has indeed conducted as Jehovah's Witness census. Could you provide more details?

JW

2006 - 13, 427
2007 - 13, 626
2008 - 13, 852
2009 - 14, 109
2010 - 14, 091
2011 - 14, 382
2012 - 14, 507
2013 - 13, 969
2014 - 14, 096
2015 - 14, 501
2016 - 14, 224

Source: Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses 2008-2016
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/lv/r1/lp-e/0/21493